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This reminds me of a conversation I once had with my friends. One guy was saying he couldn't stand a particular movie, because of the bad acting. I realized that I am immune to bad acting. I'll notice if it is really bad, or if a scene reminds me of something from my intro to acting class. But overall, who cares?
Now, I can add something else to my list. I am also immune to bad writing. I can tell if a punchline could have been funnier. And I guess (judging by my crazy theories I've previously posted.) I can see other directions they could have gone with the writing, but, to me, who cares?
I don't usually imagine characters as actors, so maybe that's my "problem."
What I notice is plot holes. --Not the plot holes of "you aren't supposed to know what happens here" or "You are supposed to fill in this blank with obvious stuff." I'm not immune to those.
It seems people have too high expectations, so that's why many are disappointed in this season. Me? I was just worried it would turn out to become like Smallville. So when it turned out it didn't, I was happy.
Anyway, back to the topic:
I really like this season. The only episode I didn't really like was last weeks. Well, I liked that they explained stuff, but to me it seemed like its title could have been "What about Bob?" or something. Every storyline, he had something to do with it except for with the twins. Oh, and Nikki's new personality? No thanks.
This episode was much better, though.
So we get confirmation that Adam was the killer. (Of all of them, I never thought it would be you... Because we had you locked up! ) (I will destroy everything that gives you happiness, Hiro. Including your father. But not until you finally get along. Bwahaha! )
Oh, and it was Bob that suggested Nightmare Man was killing his generation of Heroes. But Bob also said he was just a tool of Adam.
Matt turns into his father: This can't be good!!! Help!!!
Mohinder: He was this wishy-washy since the beginning. Can never decide whither to follow his father or not, whither to sound like a lunatic or scoff at the lunatics. Kill people, or no? Cure abilities or no? You just never can tell with him.
Elle: Short-circuited at last! Maybe Bennett should have kept her in water.
(note: I wanted to say, "How can you like Elle, but not Bennett when they are both self-serving morons with no morals? They are exactly the same!" But then I realized that would ruin my own argument that I like Bennett and not Elle. Oh, well.)
Bennett: Actually, what I was thinking when he suddenly got an urge to chit-chat with his new flying buddy, I was thinking "Awww! He wants to get to know his daughters boyfriend before he dies!" They're guys: It was his way of saying "sorry"
Also, I really liked that he admitted to his wife: "Claire was right. It really is all about me."
Who woulda guessed? He's BACK! He was just mostly dead. Makes me wonder, how long after death will the blood have no effect? They must have had Claire's blood immediately on hand. Otherwise, this sequence isn't very believable for me. But I like it all the same. And he really is Claire's father. Now the next episode will start out: "Golly! I was dead!"
Now, I can add something else to my list. I am also immune to bad writing. I can tell if a punchline could have been funnier. And I guess (judging by my crazy theories I've previously posted.) I can see other directions they could have gone with the writing, but, to me, who cares?
I don't usually imagine characters as actors, so maybe that's my "problem."
What I notice is plot holes. --Not the plot holes of "you aren't supposed to know what happens here" or "You are supposed to fill in this blank with obvious stuff." I'm not immune to those.
It seems people have too high expectations, so that's why many are disappointed in this season. Me? I was just worried it would turn out to become like Smallville. So when it turned out it didn't, I was happy.
Anyway, back to the topic:
I really like this season. The only episode I didn't really like was last weeks. Well, I liked that they explained stuff, but to me it seemed like its title could have been "What about Bob?" or something. Every storyline, he had something to do with it except for with the twins. Oh, and Nikki's new personality? No thanks.
This episode was much better, though.
So we get confirmation that Adam was the killer. (Of all of them, I never thought it would be you... Because we had you locked up! ) (I will destroy everything that gives you happiness, Hiro. Including your father. But not until you finally get along. Bwahaha! )
Oh, and it was Bob that suggested Nightmare Man was killing his generation of Heroes. But Bob also said he was just a tool of Adam.
Matt turns into his father: This can't be good!!! Help!!!
Mohinder: He was this wishy-washy since the beginning. Can never decide whither to follow his father or not, whither to sound like a lunatic or scoff at the lunatics. Kill people, or no? Cure abilities or no? You just never can tell with him.
Elle: Short-circuited at last! Maybe Bennett should have kept her in water.
(note: I wanted to say, "How can you like Elle, but not Bennett when they are both self-serving morons with no morals? They are exactly the same!" But then I realized that would ruin my own argument that I like Bennett and not Elle. Oh, well.)
Bennett: Actually, what I was thinking when he suddenly got an urge to chit-chat with his new flying buddy, I was thinking "Awww! He wants to get to know his daughters boyfriend before he dies!" They're guys: It was his way of saying "sorry"
Also, I really liked that he admitted to his wife: "Claire was right. It really is all about me."
Who woulda guessed? He's BACK! He was just mostly dead. Makes me wonder, how long after death will the blood have no effect? They must have had Claire's blood immediately on hand. Otherwise, this sequence isn't very believable for me. But I like it all the same. And he really is Claire's father. Now the next episode will start out: "Golly! I was dead!"
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I guess we can't be sure but it was highly suggested. The company had just taken her blood and then blood was shown going into his arm and then he woke up in a very company-like room. Do you have another idea as to how he would have healed?
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I don't know how (or if) the writers will ever explain it; but I do not think anyone who was temporary heal with regenerative blood will retain that ability. The reason why is because then the writers will have to bring in, at least a whole mess of people whom Adam must have healed to find out so confidently that his blood can heal other people.I guess it depends on where the writers want to go with it. It could just be a one time thing, and as you say, he won't retain any healing powers. But if the blood cells die and yet whatever triggers the regeneration remains, we'd have five immortals - Adam, Claire, Nathan (received blood from Adam), Mr. Bennet, and Peter. I don't like the thought of that occurring at all.Not as I understand it, no. Truth is, Heroes is a ton of pseudo-science, so there's no certainty, but the body is continually using and recycling blood. Claire's blood should essentially wash through Noah's body within, at most, a week or so (I could be totally off), but I doubt he'll retain healing powers after that, if at all now that he's healed.I think it's cool that Claire's blood helped revive Mr. Bennet. Does this mean that he can regenerate now as well?
And I'm not impressed with Mohinder or Parkman. It'll be interesting to see how far down that road they go.
This however is all speculative and if anyone is really looking for an answer to this, then they might just have to keep waiting since I have a feeling that this is one thing that will never be explained and will just have to be taken on faith, like countless other questions in countless other science-fiction series.
Because that which is highly suggested is actually likely on this show? Like it being highly suggested that the Nighmare Man killed Hiro's father?I guess we can't be sure but it was highly suggested. The company had just taken her blood and then blood was shown going into his arm and then he woke up in a very company-like room. Do you have another idea as to how he would have healed?
The other obvious candidate for blood donor is Adam. We don't know enough of what Bennett knows about the company to know if he was aware of Adam's existence or if he was, to what extent he was informed. Adam would have a more believable interest in reanimating someone with a vendetta against the company than Bob.
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Peter is getting stupider and stupider.
I still love Hiro. And Ando.
Kelly will be glad about the Twins' storyline.
Peter is getting stupider and stupider.
I still love Hiro. And Ando.
Kelly will be glad about the Twins' storyline.
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S'funny. I love the subtitles. I love that there's a show which recognises not everyone in the world is an Anglophone.
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She was always the only twin that could speak English. It was the brother who never could.What the heck, Maya can speak English?
One of the main things my mom said she hates about the show and how the second season was worse because they had to introduce another character with subtitles.And I HATE subtitles. Don't show producers understand that I need to multitask?
I don't think he is getting stupid. I just think Adam is good at persuading people, although I do not think it is a power. I think he has just lived 400+ years, so he has learned how to say the right things.Peter is getting stupider and stupider.
I have a hard time believing the trailer though, well I believe them that two heros will die; but just judging by the way the writers do things it might not be Hiro. It will probably be two people, who are not in trouble at the end of this episode. Then again I have been wrong in the past.
I really cannot wait for Kelly's post.
I guess sometime the obvious solution is obvious. Oh well, Bennett teamed up with Adam probably would be too powerful a combination for anyone to stop.
That episode can only be described as "bad idea theater." Why have a rational thought when an emotional response that defies logic will get us where the writers want us to be?
I did like Adam's manipulation of the situation to get away with killing that woman right in front of Peter.
That episode can only be described as "bad idea theater." Why have a rational thought when an emotional response that defies logic will get us where the writers want us to be?
I did like Adam's manipulation of the situation to get away with killing that woman right in front of Peter.
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Some of my friends think they know who one of the people who die is. They thought they saw something in the sneak peek for next week and rewound the DVR to double check. Supposedly someone is standing overtop of someone else after a fight and whoever is on the ground (and off camera) is either dead or knocked out.
Why they told me, who's only seen maybe three episodes of the show in my life, I have no clue.
Why they told me, who's only seen maybe three episodes of the show in my life, I have no clue.
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I generally like Peter but I too think that he is acting pretty stupid. He is trusting Adam way too much based on very little reason. Adam helped him escape from the company. That's all he has going for him. And since then he has done many things to make Peter doubt whether he is good or not, along with having heard the negative opinions of Adam from people that Peter SHOULD have more reason to trust. The ending really frustrated me. I was like, "Why don't you two TALK for a minute to explain each others situation before fighting??" Sigh...boys.
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Yeah, it is not like either of them have to worry about time...well thanks to HiroI was like, "Why don't you two TALK for a minute to explain each others situation before fighting??" Sigh...boys.
If I was to predict one person who dies it will probably be Nikki/Jessica. I have no real proof; but it just seems to be a hunch.
And Kelly is staying unusually quite about this episode.
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Of course, it could be Adam (or Claire) since they made it seem like they knew without a doubt that if you take off their head that they will die. Then again, wouldn't someone in the middle of an explosion have everything torn apart, head and all?...but they are really made it a non-issue. With Adam or Claire's blood, someone could easily come back.
Unless, it just takes a very long time to regenerate and so will slow them down.
I wonder if they tested it (on some other "healer") and if they did why - if Adam really was feared - didn't they just do that instead of locking him up. The company does not really seem to regret killing people. Could they have wanted to keep is blood? Then why keep Sylar, have you noticed that they like to keep the villains alive as long as possible? Do you think it is on purpose or just the common trait in any good guy/bad guy story when the hero/villain plays with his nemesis, until they are released and foil the plan?
As for my first comment if it really is one of those two it would probably be Adam. I just mentioned Claire since she has the same ability.
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Questioning a bit of a plothole: Adam says, "If it was possible to kill me, they would have done so by now." This was based on the "fact" that Adam's ability would allow him to recover from "any" injury. We now know this to be quite counter to the truth, as in fact a senior member of the Company knew how to kill him, (I assume from studying his DNA/Ability, not trial and error), and so the question is, why did the Company leave him alive?
To experiment with his ability? That seems to be the only logical premise, but a the same time, the Company seems to be entirely petrified by their fear of Adam. Was this just a slip up by the writers, or is anyone else expecting this to come up again?
To experiment with his ability? That seems to be the only logical premise, but a the same time, the Company seems to be entirely petrified by their fear of Adam. Was this just a slip up by the writers, or is anyone else expecting this to come up again?
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Finale sucked. Sure, the Nathan thing was a sudden shocker (kind of), but he won't die in the end. The VERY end, the beginning of Chapter 3.. ugh. Let. Sylar. Die. He was good for season 1, and he was actually kind of interesting to watch being all powerless for season 2, but for gods sakes writers, KILL HIM OFF AND USE THAT STRIKE-MONEY TO THINK UP A MORE INTERESTING, LESS FLAT CHARACTER THAT ISN'T JUST AN EVIL PETER!
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I don't have time right now to write out a full thing on the finale, but I did like it overall. It felt rushed, but that's because it was rushed. Also, I love Sylar. He's probably the most interesting character in the show, just cause he's so psychotic, and I'm glad he has his powers back. And Mohinder can't do anything right. He shoots and almost kills Noah, another of my favorites, and when I thought Maya was finally dead, he brings her back to life.
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Seriously Sylar is the threat again!? Just LET HIM DIE!
I don't trust any of the deaths (Niki, Nathan) that occurred in this episode. They don't seem to have the guts to actually kill someone. They brought back pretty much everyone from last season who "died" and they brought back Noah... the writers/creator just don't have the guts to let these characters go. If they did, I might believe them when they killed someone, but as it is, I trust that they will bring back any cast member who dies. This show needs to take a lesson from Joss Whedon and kill off main cast members so that you have no idea when someone dies whether they'll be back.
Hiro burying Adam was pretty cold, but still not enough. Someone will dig him up.
I don't trust any of the deaths (Niki, Nathan) that occurred in this episode. They don't seem to have the guts to actually kill someone. They brought back pretty much everyone from last season who "died" and they brought back Noah... the writers/creator just don't have the guts to let these characters go. If they did, I might believe them when they killed someone, but as it is, I trust that they will bring back any cast member who dies. This show needs to take a lesson from Joss Whedon and kill off main cast members so that you have no idea when someone dies whether they'll be back.
Hiro burying Adam was pretty cold, but still not enough. Someone will dig him up.
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Well I did not notice the walk; but seeing that it was someone with dark hair and obviously related to "the company" I am wondering if it was not his mother. She does have the personally to kill anyone that is getting too close, even her own kids. Sure, they made her seem like she was watching it on TV; but it could also be a TV in another room, on the Press site location. Although, it was probably just another person working with "the company" similar to the Haitian.Does anyone else think that Nathan's assassin had a walk that resembles Peter's? There was a guy walking away from the crowd after Nathan was shot and to me, he swaggered like Peter does.
Of course, i is amazing how persuasive they [the writers] made Adam sound there were times, when I really wanted to trust him and felt myself secretly rooting for him. But I have a feeling some of that personality may change, whenever he gets let out since he has been locked away in a tomb that will cause even the sanest person to go crazy, so he will probably become psychotic. And you know he return because right now he is the "back-burner" villain,just waiting for the need of a villian in the story line.
I guess the one thing that I really disliked is that Maya did not die. No, it is not because I did not like the character; but having someone who can kill like that really takes the fun out of things. Although, I have a pretty good idea what the next season is going to be, so all of you might want to learn to like Maya or plan on quitting now.
Overall, I really enjoyed the show. It did what any show is suppose to do keep me on my toes and made me connect to the characters; but hey every show is not for everyone.
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My brief thoughts on the finale (and my first post in this thread, I think):
- Why didn't Peter ever read Adam's mind to learn his true intentions? He has Parkman's telepathy, and it is the fate of the world we're talking about. Why so much trust up until his brother convinced him?
- Burying Adam alive was harsh... That's pretty much hell on earth for someone who will presumably NEVER die. I don't think that I could bring myself to do that do anyone. Hiro could have just killed him. Yeah, yeah, I know, cellular regeneration and all that. I don't think that even the regenerators can survive if you do something like cut of their heads, splatter their brains, or incinerate them. I would have done all of the above to him just to be sure. In any case, there's no doubt that he will be back.
- It's a shame that Nathan had to die when I finally started to like him. And I do think that he's really dead. I'm not sure about Niki though. I don't really care either.
- I guess I'm in the minority, but I don't mind Sylar being back at all. I like him.
- Why didn't Peter ever read Adam's mind to learn his true intentions? He has Parkman's telepathy, and it is the fate of the world we're talking about. Why so much trust up until his brother convinced him?
- Burying Adam alive was harsh... That's pretty much hell on earth for someone who will presumably NEVER die. I don't think that I could bring myself to do that do anyone. Hiro could have just killed him. Yeah, yeah, I know, cellular regeneration and all that. I don't think that even the regenerators can survive if you do something like cut of their heads, splatter their brains, or incinerate them. I would have done all of the above to him just to be sure. In any case, there's no doubt that he will be back.
- It's a shame that Nathan had to die when I finally started to like him. And I do think that he's really dead. I'm not sure about Niki though. I don't really care either.
- I guess I'm in the minority, but I don't mind Sylar being back at all. I like him.
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I thought it was Noah.Does anyone else think that Nathan's assassin had a walk that resembles Peter's? There was a guy walking away from the crowd after Nathan was shot and to me, he swaggered like Peter does.
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I was mighty relieved when she didn't stay dead. I'm not a fan at all, but the thought that all that time spent with the twins would stay as pointless as has been all dang season was just too much for me. She got to be relevant somehow or all that time was a complete waste.I guess the one thing that I really disliked is that Maya did not die. No, it is not because I did not like the character; but having someone who can kill like that really takes the fun out of things. Although, I have a pretty good idea what the next season is going to be, so all of you might want to learn to like Maya or plan on quitting now.
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Well that is a good question and the only thing I could say is Peter I don't think was fully aware of that ability, so he could not control it or maybe he thought the other times was just a fluke. Although a more realistic answer is what Nathan mentions is Peter's blessing and curse is that he trust people to be as honest and friendly as he [Peter] is. That can be traced back throughout both seasons.My brief thoughts on the finale (and my first post in this thread, I think):
- Why didn't Peter ever read Adam's mind to learn his true intentions? He has Parkman's telepathy, and it is the fate of the world we're talking about. Why so much trust up until his brother convinced him?
A more even realistic approach is the writers did not want Peter to.
Well first of all did Hiro even know about the "gun shot to the head" theory? I am still calling it a theory because I have my doubts that, even in Hero-Land it will work; but you have to remember the last time Hiro tried to kill him; by leaving him in the center of an explosion Adam still lived.Burying Adam alive was harsh... That's pretty much hell on earth for someone who will presumably NEVER die. I don't think that I could bring myself to do that do anyone. Hiro could have just killed him.
Also what makes Hiro, Hiro is that he does not like to kill anyone, remember Sylar in season one, before the last episode. Of course, he also does not want Adam free to do whatever he wants, especially when believes the human race should be wiped out.
I do like him being back; but then again I do not really have a hate relationship with any character; but he is one of the most interesting. Of course, he is also really turning into the typical villain,which is he has this big plan "to take over the world(or whatever)", then it gets foiled; but his enemies (the heros) let him go.I guess I'm in the minority, but I don't mind Sylar being back at all. I like him.
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I don't know about that one. Adam was pretty much incinerated in Japan and that didn't seem to make any difference. And Claire in season one did pretty well against Radiation Man.Yeah, yeah, I know, cellular regeneration and all that...or incinerate them.
I like Sylar being back. He is a great villian. And every great superhero needs at least one steady villian to be around and I think we found him. I think the new story line will have something to do with Sylar trying to find Adam. Think about it.
Also, I think everyone should get used to the fact that people might not really be dead. With the restorative blood and time travel in the mix, there will always be a possiblity that someone will be back.
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I don't think anyone's going to be "brought back to life" by time travel. Hiro already dealt with that when he tried to save his father.
Speaking of time travel, though, what happens to the Irish chick (I can't remember her name), who got stuck in a future that now no longer exists?
Speaking of time travel, though, what happens to the Irish chick (I can't remember her name), who got stuck in a future that now no longer exists?
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Wizzard,
That's fine that Hiro might not try to save anyone else by time travel, but he is not the only one that can travel through time. And Peter has proved to be very easy to take advantage of.
Can't remember the Irish girl's name either, but I am assuming she is gone. Unless the power develops to the point that he can travel to alternate time lines.
Edit: Caitlin...Caitlin is her name.
That's fine that Hiro might not try to save anyone else by time travel, but he is not the only one that can travel through time. And Peter has proved to be very easy to take advantage of.
Can't remember the Irish girl's name either, but I am assuming she is gone. Unless the power develops to the point that he can travel to alternate time lines.
Edit: Caitlin...Caitlin is her name.
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Does Sylar even know Adam, by name or power?
He had very little with the company story line this season, so I don't think he knows a thing about Adam.
I really hope it does not turn into another Season 1, with him trying to get at Claire's power, especially now that he has seen what it can do. Unless that will be Sylar's thing since every villain seems to have something they "eternally" try to get at.
It is also a good thing he killed "Candace" (I bet you forgot about her) before he could take that power otherwise his power stealing days will be pretty easy.
He had very little with the company story line this season, so I don't think he knows a thing about Adam.
I really hope it does not turn into another Season 1, with him trying to get at Claire's power, especially now that he has seen what it can do. Unless that will be Sylar's thing since every villain seems to have something they "eternally" try to get at.
It is also a good thing he killed "Candace" (I bet you forgot about her) before he could take that power otherwise his power stealing days will be pretty easy.
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Nehali Sophia wrote:
Does anyone else think that Nathan's assassin had a walk that resembles Peter's? There was a guy walking away from the crowd after Nathan was shot and to me, he swaggered like Peter does.
I thought it was Noah.
I only got a brief glimpse of the guy walking away, and he looked kinda skinny, so I just automatically assumed it was Peter.My husband also thought that the assassin was Noah. It makes sense.
And although it would make sense for Noah to be the assassin, it's also kinda predictable - ie the company tells Noah to kill Nathan or Claire dies, but what could make Peter assassinate his own brother? I'm really curious to see how this turns out.
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Yes, as Nomi mentioned, Happy Kelly means she ain't around much.
There's a boy. And so I actually didn't watch either of the last two episodes until tonight. (Happiness consumes me. I don't know how to deal with it. I'm more adept at being miserable, but that's something to share with Bob).
ANYWAY.
Let's just leave it at this--because I'm so behind and, frankly, because you all know what I'm going to say anyway.
I HATED this season. It sucked. The finale did not redeem it. There was no redemption to be had.
However, I WILL watch next season for ONE REASON ONLY, and I'll tell you why: because Hiro said "FLYING MAN!" complete with fists in the air. And it made me laugh aloud.
For that reason, and that reason only, I'll be back for next season.
There's a boy. And so I actually didn't watch either of the last two episodes until tonight. (Happiness consumes me. I don't know how to deal with it. I'm more adept at being miserable, but that's something to share with Bob).
ANYWAY.
Let's just leave it at this--because I'm so behind and, frankly, because you all know what I'm going to say anyway.
I HATED this season. It sucked. The finale did not redeem it. There was no redemption to be had.
However, I WILL watch next season for ONE REASON ONLY, and I'll tell you why: because Hiro said "FLYING MAN!" complete with fists in the air. And it made me laugh aloud.
For that reason, and that reason only, I'll be back for next season.
you snooze, you lose
well I have snozzed and lost
I'm pushing through
I'll disregard the cost
I hear the bells
so fascinating and
I'll slug it out
I'm sick of waiting
and I can
hear the bells are
ringing joyful and triumphant
well I have snozzed and lost
I'm pushing through
I'll disregard the cost
I hear the bells
so fascinating and
I'll slug it out
I'm sick of waiting
and I can
hear the bells are
ringing joyful and triumphant
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