Dear you,
This isn't my story is it?
Dear You 2.0
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Gravity Defier
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Dear you,
If you really want to break up so much that you feel the need to say it on my night with my friends, after just finishing school...if you honestly feel as unhappy as you say...just do it.
I didn't say or do anything to offset those comments. I asked if you wanted to go out with me and my friends after the formal. You said no. Then you said you didn't want to even stay the night like planned. Sometimes, I don't get you..
Oh well. *I* had a great time. Of course, when you left to wait in the car while I gave out my presents and said goodbye to everyone for the break, I felt infinitely better. I was able to have FUN. Too bad it was only 10 minutes.
Please, just decide if you like me or not. I'm not going to do the breaking up. I care too much. You like good movies, and Miyazaki! You watch NFL with me every Sunday. You're adorable, and can be the sweetest guy in the world. I want us to work, at least for now. I'm getting to the point where I think we'd both be happier as friends, though. You're wearing me down.
If you really want to break up so much that you feel the need to say it on my night with my friends, after just finishing school...if you honestly feel as unhappy as you say...just do it.
I didn't say or do anything to offset those comments. I asked if you wanted to go out with me and my friends after the formal. You said no. Then you said you didn't want to even stay the night like planned. Sometimes, I don't get you..
Oh well. *I* had a great time. Of course, when you left to wait in the car while I gave out my presents and said goodbye to everyone for the break, I felt infinitely better. I was able to have FUN. Too bad it was only 10 minutes.
Please, just decide if you like me or not. I'm not going to do the breaking up. I care too much. You like good movies, and Miyazaki! You watch NFL with me every Sunday. You're adorable, and can be the sweetest guy in the world. I want us to work, at least for now. I'm getting to the point where I think we'd both be happier as friends, though. You're wearing me down.
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Eaquae Legit
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VelvetElvis
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Dear pretty much the whole world,
1. I made my life so much easier when I had to face my problems instead of ignoring them that I now force others to confront their problems and explore every possible reason to see what is the most probable cause of distress even when it might not be the best idea for them.
2. I am a good friend.
3. I do not understand people’s desire for things they do not need.
4. I believe that people DO judge books by their covers, and whether that is the way it should be or not is purely academic. One should dress, speak, and conduct oneself in a manner befitting the situation.
5. I have a serious NEED to fix things and for things to be right (me included). I have to fix things.
6. The dramatic chipmunk on youtube cracks me up every time.
7. I tend to look at the big picture when considering issues, so sometimes people think I don’t care about their problems. Alternately, people don’t understand why something is making me freak out so much because it doesn’t seem to be a big deal about the time.
8. I would make a really good gothic chick.
9. I do laundry when I get stressed out, I love to cook, and I am good at sewing. There are also other things that would make any self-respecting women’s libber have an aneurysm.
10. I am not a pleasant person when I am hungry or tired. I have a sneaking suspicion that I’m not a pleasant person any other time, either.
11. I take care of things. And people. It sounds a lot nobler than it is, because I do it out of condescension. I always assume people can’t take care of themselves so I do it for them. The closer you are to me, the more I respect you and assume you can care for yourself. This has caused hurt feelings on more than one occasion, because it is viewed as favoritism.
12. I am all about prevention.
13. I’m used to people not being there, so I learned to take care of myself. I’m really ok with that. That said, I get my feeling hurt when people aren’t there for me when I need them. It tends to be my own fault, as I rarely admit weakness whether to feel strong or to keep from being perceived as whiny.
14. I am a practical person. Sometimes to extremes.
15. I can sometimes be a snob, I think. I have no proof to cite at this time, but I still think it might be true.
16. I really like trains.
17. And cats.
18. And chocolate milk.
19. I’m closer to a nervous breakdown than I would care to admit.
20. I hurt people’s feelings a lot, but they still talk to me. I think about that for hours sometimes.
21. I think dinosaur jokes are hysterical.
22. I have been called a risk-taker, and it makes me ashamed, because I take only seriously calculated risks.
I try to keep general happiness around me, but I seem fix one thing only to make another problem. I’m sorry about it but I don’t think anyone knows. I’m sorry, sorry, sorry.
I'm being honest! I'm talking about my feelings! Can you just be happy now?
-Me
1. I made my life so much easier when I had to face my problems instead of ignoring them that I now force others to confront their problems and explore every possible reason to see what is the most probable cause of distress even when it might not be the best idea for them.
2. I am a good friend.
3. I do not understand people’s desire for things they do not need.
4. I believe that people DO judge books by their covers, and whether that is the way it should be or not is purely academic. One should dress, speak, and conduct oneself in a manner befitting the situation.
5. I have a serious NEED to fix things and for things to be right (me included). I have to fix things.
6. The dramatic chipmunk on youtube cracks me up every time.
7. I tend to look at the big picture when considering issues, so sometimes people think I don’t care about their problems. Alternately, people don’t understand why something is making me freak out so much because it doesn’t seem to be a big deal about the time.
8. I would make a really good gothic chick.
9. I do laundry when I get stressed out, I love to cook, and I am good at sewing. There are also other things that would make any self-respecting women’s libber have an aneurysm.
10. I am not a pleasant person when I am hungry or tired. I have a sneaking suspicion that I’m not a pleasant person any other time, either.
11. I take care of things. And people. It sounds a lot nobler than it is, because I do it out of condescension. I always assume people can’t take care of themselves so I do it for them. The closer you are to me, the more I respect you and assume you can care for yourself. This has caused hurt feelings on more than one occasion, because it is viewed as favoritism.
12. I am all about prevention.
13. I’m used to people not being there, so I learned to take care of myself. I’m really ok with that. That said, I get my feeling hurt when people aren’t there for me when I need them. It tends to be my own fault, as I rarely admit weakness whether to feel strong or to keep from being perceived as whiny.
14. I am a practical person. Sometimes to extremes.
15. I can sometimes be a snob, I think. I have no proof to cite at this time, but I still think it might be true.
16. I really like trains.
17. And cats.
18. And chocolate milk.
19. I’m closer to a nervous breakdown than I would care to admit.
20. I hurt people’s feelings a lot, but they still talk to me. I think about that for hours sometimes.
21. I think dinosaur jokes are hysterical.
22. I have been called a risk-taker, and it makes me ashamed, because I take only seriously calculated risks.
I try to keep general happiness around me, but I seem fix one thing only to make another problem. I’m sorry about it but I don’t think anyone knows. I’m sorry, sorry, sorry.
I'm being honest! I'm talking about my feelings! Can you just be happy now?
-Me
Yay, I'm a llama again!
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Eddie Pinz
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Dear You,
You have no idea how closely you described the way I think sometimes. Its kind of disturbing that some else thinks that way, because I consider myself wacked out most of the time. I don't like the way my brain works a lot of the time, but it is comforting to know that maybe I'm not out of my mind or at the very least...that I'm not alone.
You have no idea how closely you described the way I think sometimes. Its kind of disturbing that some else thinks that way, because I consider myself wacked out most of the time. I don't like the way my brain works a lot of the time, but it is comforting to know that maybe I'm not out of my mind or at the very least...that I'm not alone.
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Wil
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Dear You,
I'm sorry if this is patronizing, but apparently I lack tact. If you do not think better of yourself than those that hurt and s*** on you, then you DO need to fix yourself first and foremost. One might even go so far as to say that for you to attract those that are good one must at least think good of themselves. I'm sorry I speak so plainly, and I am sorry if that comes off as me being superior. It may not be my place, but I'm not one for places anyways. Friends are there for comfort, and people pay for psychiatrists. I just speak in an attempt to make people think.
Wil
Dear You,
Tact; the ability to either:
a) Speak a lot but not say a damn thing.
b) Say a lot but do so in such a way as to confuse the recipient and come off as insightful.
I'd like to apologize for I am not capable of either. I don't know why I come off as patronizing, for it is not my intention to project a superior attitude. What must I do? Must I place more negative adjectives in my writings when I refer to myself? Do I really come off as being superior? Do I brag or boast any more than I deprecate myself? Or, is it in the way I write?
I do not believe in beating around the bush; I do not believe in saying things which I do not mean. When I give advice or my opinion on something, it is me neither being patronizing nor insightful; I do not intend for either of them to be. I do not claim to be an expert in what I speak of, but I also do not speak or things I do not at least believe to know of. One may see it as giving advice about pregnancy to a pregnant woman, but I simply see it as mentioning things that may or may not have been noted, for I'd rather have said it and helped than to not have said it at all.
What can I say? I speak what I believe to be the truth; damn anyone that takes offense to it, for I do not intend it to be. I am sure there is a word for this, but I am sure it is not patronizing.
Wil
I'm sorry if this is patronizing, but apparently I lack tact. If you do not think better of yourself than those that hurt and s*** on you, then you DO need to fix yourself first and foremost. One might even go so far as to say that for you to attract those that are good one must at least think good of themselves. I'm sorry I speak so plainly, and I am sorry if that comes off as me being superior. It may not be my place, but I'm not one for places anyways. Friends are there for comfort, and people pay for psychiatrists. I just speak in an attempt to make people think.
Wil
Dear You,
Tact; the ability to either:
a) Speak a lot but not say a damn thing.
b) Say a lot but do so in such a way as to confuse the recipient and come off as insightful.
I'd like to apologize for I am not capable of either. I don't know why I come off as patronizing, for it is not my intention to project a superior attitude. What must I do? Must I place more negative adjectives in my writings when I refer to myself? Do I really come off as being superior? Do I brag or boast any more than I deprecate myself? Or, is it in the way I write?
I do not believe in beating around the bush; I do not believe in saying things which I do not mean. When I give advice or my opinion on something, it is me neither being patronizing nor insightful; I do not intend for either of them to be. I do not claim to be an expert in what I speak of, but I also do not speak or things I do not at least believe to know of. One may see it as giving advice about pregnancy to a pregnant woman, but I simply see it as mentioning things that may or may not have been noted, for I'd rather have said it and helped than to not have said it at all.
What can I say? I speak what I believe to be the truth; damn anyone that takes offense to it, for I do not intend it to be. I am sure there is a word for this, but I am sure it is not patronizing.
Wil
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starlooker
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- Location: Home. With cats who have names.
Dear You,
I know you're frustrated.
DON'T f****** TAKE IT OUT ON ME.
Good god. I was there because I wanted to see if a patient was available for therapy. He was in a process group. This was a surprise to me as A) there's never been a night group before and B) I kind of plan my inpatient schedule around groups. So, I say, "okay, fine, never mind. Do they do these every Wed at 7:00 so I can plan my schedule?"
So the tech turns and calls at the person in the back who snaps at me, "There's this social worker who wants to do a group and four people have been taken out already, but fine, whatever, take out another one!"
Um. Even if that did relate to what we were talking about, I don't need your f****** attitude. The delivery and the impatience with the scheduling, as well as your utterly rude manner, and not to mention everyone's visible frustration with the lack of organization on the hospital's part are not things that we really, really need to be displaying in front of patients, now are they?
Not to mention, damnit, I'm sorry, I OUTRANK YOU.
If you haven't heard, I'm kind of a big deal.
Bigger than you, anyways, bitch.
If I have that kind of attitude from you again, I'm going to do worse than yell at you.
I'm going to force you to process with me. And I'll probably use I-statements.
You have been warned.
Me
I know you're frustrated.
DON'T f****** TAKE IT OUT ON ME.
Good god. I was there because I wanted to see if a patient was available for therapy. He was in a process group. This was a surprise to me as A) there's never been a night group before and B) I kind of plan my inpatient schedule around groups. So, I say, "okay, fine, never mind. Do they do these every Wed at 7:00 so I can plan my schedule?"
So the tech turns and calls at the person in the back who snaps at me, "There's this social worker who wants to do a group and four people have been taken out already, but fine, whatever, take out another one!"
Um. Even if that did relate to what we were talking about, I don't need your f****** attitude. The delivery and the impatience with the scheduling, as well as your utterly rude manner, and not to mention everyone's visible frustration with the lack of organization on the hospital's part are not things that we really, really need to be displaying in front of patients, now are they?
Not to mention, damnit, I'm sorry, I OUTRANK YOU.
If you haven't heard, I'm kind of a big deal.
Bigger than you, anyways, bitch.
If I have that kind of attitude from you again, I'm going to do worse than yell at you.
I'm going to force you to process with me. And I'll probably use I-statements.
You have been warned.
Me
There's another home somewhere,
There's another glimpse of sky...
There's another way to lean
into the wind, unafraid.
There's another life out there...
~~Mary Chapin Carpenter
There's another glimpse of sky...
There's another way to lean
into the wind, unafraid.
There's another life out there...
~~Mary Chapin Carpenter
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Eddie Pinz
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Hector.Victorious
- Soldier
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Dear You,
Can you not buy things I don't like to eat? I appreciate that you do the grocery shopping and I think its cool that you want to try new things, but when I tell you over and over again to not buy me food I don't like or I remind you that I don't like a certain food, can you at least try to remember?
~Me.
Can you not buy things I don't like to eat? I appreciate that you do the grocery shopping and I think its cool that you want to try new things, but when I tell you over and over again to not buy me food I don't like or I remind you that I don't like a certain food, can you at least try to remember?
~Me.
"Killing Buggers was not homicide."
"No, I guess it was insecticide."
"No, I guess it was insecticide."
Dear you,
yeah this didn't make much sense sober either. i'm fighting everything uphill here, and it was obvious this was one of those, but i kinda hoped it wasn't.
Alex, note to self, delete this when you read this in the morning. It won't make any more sense then than now.
What you say?
Stop talking to yourself in Bob.
This isn't bob.
exactly.
yeah this didn't make much sense sober either. i'm fighting everything uphill here, and it was obvious this was one of those, but i kinda hoped it wasn't.
Alex, note to self, delete this when you read this in the morning. It won't make any more sense then than now.
What you say?
Stop talking to yourself in Bob.
This isn't bob.
exactly.
Yebra: A cross between a zebra and something that fancied a zebra.
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Gravity Defier
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- Joined: Tue Sep 26, 2006 7:32 pm
- Title: Ewok in Tauntaun-land
Dear You(s),
Let's not all jump to conclusions and think I'm talking to you. Unless I really am, then think it all you want.
Dear You,
This is about 4.5 years too late, but I just wanted you to know I think I understand now.
Let's not all jump to conclusions and think I'm talking to you. Unless I really am, then think it all you want.
Dear You,
This is about 4.5 years too late, but I just wanted you to know I think I understand now.
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Se paciente y duro; algún día este dolor te será útil.
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Gravity Defier
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- Title: Ewok in Tauntaun-land
*doble*
Dear You,
I got your card; thank you so much! It was extremely sweet and I did a happy dance all the way home from my mailbox. It also has a prime location in my room: front and center on my headboard/bookcase thing. My nephews also love it, thanks to the sparklies and cat. Smile
-Alea
Dear You(s),
Early because Adam guessed (mostly) correctly, they all should have reached their destinations by now, I stupidly uploaded the picture weeks ago and keep thinking someone has or will stumble upon it, and I'm terribly impatient in almost every way imaginable. It's mostly the last two there.
The top row is A, followed by B, then C, then D. The first column, starting from the left, is 1, then 2, then 3, then 4. You can locate your portion using those coordinates.
It's an illuminated letter, which were more common in books in the past. It felt somehow appropriate, due to my knowing you because of a book and it seemed more lasting than any holiday picture might be (Christmas colors were an accident; vines are green, background was always going to be white, and red just seemed like a strong color and easy to find in stores).
Now, without further ado, the syrupy part:
Whether we talk daily or yearly, whether we're old friends with many shared secrets and in-jokes or acquaintances, you are unquestionably a part of Pweb and all that it has meant and continues to mean to me -especially over these past months. Thank you for your unwavering support and in turn, for letting me and everyone else into your thoughts and lives; without you, there would be something missing and this place just wouldn't make sense.
Sincerely,
Alea
Dear You(s),
A concern, when I started this, was that of being responsible for feelings of being left out or not being noticed. Rest assured, or be scared about the fact that, I notice just about everyone and everything and the main reason for not sending something to more of you active members was time (16 took 30some hours...doubling the number made just might have killed my eyes and shoulder), money (I don't have much of it), and more importantly, a sense that it might be inappropriate to ask you for an address. I really do appreciate (most) everyone on the board and wish I knew some of you better.
Also sincerely,
Alea
Dear You(s),
Some theories given:
It stands for my last name. (those of you who know that, shh...I don't mind you guys knowing but I also don't want it on the board)
It stands for 'peace.'
It was a ticket of sorts to a WW and the Chocolate Factory-esque meeting, at which time I would appoint one of the recipients the benefactor of my junk.
-Me
Dear You,
I got your card; thank you so much! It was extremely sweet and I did a happy dance all the way home from my mailbox. It also has a prime location in my room: front and center on my headboard/bookcase thing. My nephews also love it, thanks to the sparklies and cat. Smile
-Alea
Dear You(s),
Early because Adam guessed (mostly) correctly, they all should have reached their destinations by now, I stupidly uploaded the picture weeks ago and keep thinking someone has or will stumble upon it, and I'm terribly impatient in almost every way imaginable. It's mostly the last two there.
The top row is A, followed by B, then C, then D. The first column, starting from the left, is 1, then 2, then 3, then 4. You can locate your portion using those coordinates.
It's an illuminated letter, which were more common in books in the past. It felt somehow appropriate, due to my knowing you because of a book and it seemed more lasting than any holiday picture might be (Christmas colors were an accident; vines are green, background was always going to be white, and red just seemed like a strong color and easy to find in stores).
Now, without further ado, the syrupy part:
Whether we talk daily or yearly, whether we're old friends with many shared secrets and in-jokes or acquaintances, you are unquestionably a part of Pweb and all that it has meant and continues to mean to me -especially over these past months. Thank you for your unwavering support and in turn, for letting me and everyone else into your thoughts and lives; without you, there would be something missing and this place just wouldn't make sense.
Sincerely,
Alea
Dear You(s),
A concern, when I started this, was that of being responsible for feelings of being left out or not being noticed. Rest assured, or be scared about the fact that, I notice just about everyone and everything and the main reason for not sending something to more of you active members was time (16 took 30some hours...doubling the number made just might have killed my eyes and shoulder), money (I don't have much of it), and more importantly, a sense that it might be inappropriate to ask you for an address. I really do appreciate (most) everyone on the board and wish I knew some of you better.
Also sincerely,
Alea
Dear You(s),
Some theories given:
It stands for my last name. (those of you who know that, shh...I don't mind you guys knowing but I also don't want it on the board)
It stands for 'peace.'
It was a ticket of sorts to a WW and the Chocolate Factory-esque meeting, at which time I would appoint one of the recipients the benefactor of my junk.
-Me
Se paciente y duro; algún día este dolor te será útil.
Dear You,
Thanks for the best Christmas Card ever! It's beautiful seeing the entire thing together.
Dear Roommate,
Do Not Put Leftover Cat Food In The Sink. I am sick and tired of cleaning the cat food out of the sink. I can't stand being around you. please be in the apartment less. And take your ugly, loud, idiotic and mean dog with you. No dogs in the apartment I will sic the landlord on you if it stays here any longer than a day!
Thanks for the best Christmas Card ever! It's beautiful seeing the entire thing together.
Dear Roommate,
Do Not Put Leftover Cat Food In The Sink. I am sick and tired of cleaning the cat food out of the sink. I can't stand being around you. please be in the apartment less. And take your ugly, loud, idiotic and mean dog with you. No dogs in the apartment I will sic the landlord on you if it stays here any longer than a day!
So, Lone Star, now you see that evil will always triumph because good is dumb.
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Gravity Defier
- Commander
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starlooker
- Commander
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- Title: Dr. Mom
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Dear You,
Thanks so much! It's lovely! I was wondering what it was going to be!
Love and holiday cheer,
Kirsten
Dear You,
Bah. You're crazy. It's obvious that mine is the best piece (D3). Lovely and simple and abstract, like a sparkly tree branch.
Me
Thanks so much! It's lovely! I was wondering what it was going to be!
Love and holiday cheer,
Kirsten
Dear You,
Bah. You're crazy. It's obvious that mine is the best piece (D3). Lovely and simple and abstract, like a sparkly tree branch.
Me
There's another home somewhere,
There's another glimpse of sky...
There's another way to lean
into the wind, unafraid.
There's another life out there...
~~Mary Chapin Carpenter
There's another glimpse of sky...
There's another way to lean
into the wind, unafraid.
There's another life out there...
~~Mary Chapin Carpenter
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Eddie Pinz
- Toon Leader
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- Title: Ganon's Bane
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Eddie Pinz
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Young Val
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- Title: Papermaster
- First Joined: 12 Sep 2000
- Location: from New York City to St. Paul, MN (but I'm a Boston girl at heart).
- Contact:
Dear you,
You really want to know why I'm spending so many nights at my boyfriend's house lately?
It's because when I DO come home, like today, THERE'S A WEEK'S WORTH OF TRASH SITTING ON THE KITCHEN FLOOR THAT YOU CONVENIENTLY NEGLECTED TO TAKE OUT BEFORE YOU LEFT THE STATE FOR TWO WEEKS!!!!!
Next time, I swear, I'm just going to dump it on your bed.
YOU ARE 23 YEARS OLD. PICK UP AFTER YOURSELF.
You really want to know why I'm spending so many nights at my boyfriend's house lately?
It's because when I DO come home, like today, THERE'S A WEEK'S WORTH OF TRASH SITTING ON THE KITCHEN FLOOR THAT YOU CONVENIENTLY NEGLECTED TO TAKE OUT BEFORE YOU LEFT THE STATE FOR TWO WEEKS!!!!!
Next time, I swear, I'm just going to dump it on your bed.
YOU ARE 23 YEARS OLD. PICK UP AFTER YOURSELF.
you snooze, you lose
well I have snozzed and lost
I'm pushing through
I'll disregard the cost
I hear the bells
so fascinating and
I'll slug it out
I'm sick of waiting
and I can
hear the bells are
ringing joyful and triumphant
well I have snozzed and lost
I'm pushing through
I'll disregard the cost
I hear the bells
so fascinating and
I'll slug it out
I'm sick of waiting
and I can
hear the bells are
ringing joyful and triumphant
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Gravity Defier
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I don't believe you gave up your secret identity. Not for one second.You are all mistaken. B3 is clearly the best.
(Hehe,)
But if you did...
Alea, how did you get it out of him?
And wow, if Alea really got Zero's secret identity...I am in awe.
I figured it out.
Alea and zeroguy are secretly the same person!
One of those statements is true...It's possible he gave her a PO box that actually redirects to a PO box in another state that redirects to his address.
This is zero we're talking about here.
Well, okay, technically, two. I'll let you decide which two.
Se paciente y duro; algún día este dolor te será útil.
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