hive_king wrote:I'd say it started with Nixon, but other than that, I agree with you on this one.
hive_king wrote:May I ask where your information came from
Various polls that happened around and after the time of the 2004 elections. Doubt I could find the actual polls now, so I guess my point is moot.
hive_king wrote:I think you are trying to combine or confuse the Afghani War and the Iraqi War. People generally agree afghanistan was a justifiable war.
Well, the 'War on Terror' didn't technically start until we started attacking Iraq, and we were attacking Iraq because of 9/11, even if indirectly.
hive_king wrote:So whats your strategy for winning? Just hanging around isn't neccesarily going to win the war. As it stands now, we're not winning.
Nope, it won't, but it's a safer bet than pulling out completely. Oh, and we might not be winning, but we're not loosing either.
hive_king wrote:Since when did you become such an expert in the middle east and how its taught? There are many different schools of islam taught to different degrees and different ways in different countries.
But we're not talking about the countries that we don't have trouble with. A school that teaches of Islam in the United States is obviously less likely to teach their kids to hate Israel, the United States, etc. As said in the 'Is Islam a Violent of Peaceful religion' thread: A religion can be used in both violent and peaceful ways.
hive_king wrote:For scorning people who didn't look into things, you are pretty guilty of it yourself. If you did your research, you'd notice that Ahmadinejad has only called for Israel to be wiped off the map, and then only a few times, not every day. You'd know that historically nonmuslims in muslim empires were not killed, they were often merely forced to pay higher taxes. You'd know that the number commonly given is 72 virgins (and only one palace, according to the hadith, but its a very nice one.) You'd also know that certain verse is highly debated, and not even from the koran itself.
It's amazing how different sources can provide different data, isn't it? Everything I stated I have read or seen on the news. Not just any single news channel either, I watch Fox, CNN, and MSNBC.
While not in speeches, it has been reported that Ahmadinejad speaks about it fairly often in private conversations or out in public gatherings speaking with private parties where he was overheard.
As for the virgins thing, there was just some Islamic guy who, upon marring a Christian women, decided to really look into Islam. According to him it was 99 virgins in 99 houses. So, take that as you wish.
hive_king wrote:Wrong again. He was a trader, by profession. Not a war general. He didn't end up a warrior untill after his followers were run out of Mecca and he had to become a war leader to keep his followers from being wiped out. You really don't check your facts, do you?
Not very kind in your rebuttal's, are you? Yes, I did just re-read the Wikipedia article on Mohammad and it appears you are correct in this matter. I confused what I read awhile ago with some statements I heard about "Mohammad is the only religious leader to also have been a war general."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Co2- ... e-plot.png
hive_king wrote:May I see your source on this?
... and pretty much any other graph that compares the Temperature and CO2 Ice Core sample data.
hive_king wrote:Wow. Just wow. The utter lack of connection to reality your post has is amazing. Beer was created by the ancient egyptians and mesopotamians. This would place it thousands and thousands of years ago, not anything to do with the little ice age. Where do you find this tripe? Have you ever read a history book in your life?
Quit with the attacks, it's not very kind or professional at all. It's fairly easy to rebuttal without attacking the person you are rebutting against.
Again, my source for this was the History channel's production on the "Little Ice Age" -- it stated that in northern Europe during the time, the cold was becoming so bad that the grape vines were dieing off. So, to keep up the need for alcohol, they created Beer. They then brought the beer across the Atlantic to the United States.
Now, I can see where the confusion may lie. Beer had been created somewhere else in the world already and during the little ice age is when Europeans developed it and brought it across to America. I indeed did not even think of this possibility, so this is my mistake.
Glad to be here, just don't take kindly to the personal attacks, buddy.