Philotic Web

Ahhh so EL can bash opinions all he wants... but when I make a comment several people have to comment on it. I see....

She. And one person commented on it, until you started pointing fingers elsewhere. Mods (including EL) get bitched at a lot*, so as to the first part of what you said.... not really. EL also probably has the reputation with some people as being more reasonable than you, so you are more likely to be gone after. EL also did not bring up this topic, which was part of sparrow's original point.

And you're still dodging. It's annoying.

*Because they're in positions of authority, this is bound to happen. I'm not really complaining or anything.

Exactly Dr. Mobius.

EL... your interpretation of what the ten commandments meant is not shared with everyone. You're acting as if your view is the only one accepted. And it's not...talk about an ideologically shut mind...

Oooh, I missed this one. No, it's not shared by everyone. Because they know jack-all about Hebrew, generally. I don't generally wave my studies around, as some people tend to think I'm being all superior-like. But what the heck, I had a great conference, I'm academically stoked, and the mental adrenaline is still rushing! And I think this is a dumb conversation to be having, anyway!*

So, I'll lay it out on the line. I have a degree in this stuff. I'll tell you this argument over what the commandment means is not a matter of opinion, linguistically. It's solid, and the Hebrew is by and large unambiguous. Other people have tried to tell you this, and you rebut, but you make no sense. You might think killing in war is the same as premeditated murder, but it's crystal clear that the people who wrote the commandment did not. English translations are there for people who can't read Hebrew. They're never going to be as good as the Hebrew, and often fail to come close. Arguing based on what an English translation says is stupid. If it's your opinion that the English means more than the Hebrew, I'll bash it, because that's not an issue of religion or moral philosophy, that's just plain old translation, and that's fair game.

My "interpretation" isn't accepted by (some) people because they haven't actually spent any real time with the text. That's their fault for being ignorant, not mine.



* This could have been an interesting discussion. Instead, I have a feeling it was DOA.

You might think killing in war is the same as premeditated murder, but it's crystal clear that the people who wrote the commandment did not.

The people who wrote the commandment?

Yes, FT, the Bible was written by people. Divine inspiration and whatnot, but it was still human hands that put pen to paper or quill to parchment or whatever the hell they used back then.

Really?!? You mean God didn't physically write the Bible?!


It's pretty clear that she meant people wrote the Commandments by their meaning... and not just recording God's words.

It's pretty clear that you have no idea what anyone means by anything, least of all yourself.

Really?!? You mean God didn't physically write the Bible?!

It's pretty clear that she meant people wrote the Commandments by their meaning... and not just recording God's words.

I fail to see the problem with that. What exactly are you objecting to?

I fail to see the problem with that. What exactly are you objecting to?

For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments.

It's pretty clear that you have no idea what anyone means by anything, least of all yourself.

She meant exactly what I thought she meant. And you shouldn't bother to open your mouth.

I fail to see the problem with that. What exactly are you objecting to?

For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments.

Still not making sense. Clarify please.

Saying people wrote the meaning of the commandments is blasphemous...

Why? I see no blasphemy in acknowledging that the commandments God gave were in a specific language and that its nuances were used.

Why is saying people wrote the commandments blasphemous? ........

More than a one-liner rhetorical question would be nice. You are ignoring my repeated requests for clarity, and for reasons I can't comprehend. Until you can make yourself sit down and type more than a sentence, I'm done with this discussion.

I don't understand how you don't get it. Saying people wrote the commandments is saying God didn't write them..

God dictated the commandments. God told Moses what to write, and Moses wrote it down. PLEASE read the bible, FT. It'd make you so much less confused.

Read the other posts hk...

Moses wrote them down sure but he did not write them.

Really?!? You mean God didn't physically write the Bible?!

It's pretty clear that she meant people wrote the Commandments by their meaning... and not just recording God's words.

I fail to see the problem with that. What exactly are you objecting to?

Moses wrote them down sure but he did not write them.

*brainplode*

How about Moses wrote them down but he is not the author? Means the same thing as, Moses wrote them down sure but he did not write them.

Geez. That's what the big fuss was about? I was hoping for something a little more scandalous.

God gave the Law. To people who spoke Hebrew. They were written down in Hebrew. They continue to be written in Hebrew. God gave them, people wrote them down in their language. Since we were arguing about the relevance of Hebrew to the commandment not to kill, I didn't feel like bringing deity into it. From a linguistic standpoint (what we were arguing) it doesn't matter if God literally wrote the Law down for Moses. The word says what it says, and that's what counts.

Regardless, if you'd read my other posts, as you berate h_k for not doing, you would have seen me acknowledging God's involvement:

Why? I see no blasphemy in acknowledging that the commandments God gave were in a specific language and that its nuances were used.

Now stop sidetracking the discussion with pointless and ignorant nitpicking. The possible blasphemy you accuse me of is none of your business anyway. Yelling "blasphemy!" at me isn't going to make me wrong, any more than it would if I were an atheist.

Please tell me it's not just me that,

Really?!? You mean God didn't physically write the Bible?!

It's pretty clear that she meant people wrote the Commandments by their meaning... and not just recording God's words.

I fail to see the problem with that. What exactly are you objecting to?

and

Why? I see no blasphemy in acknowledging that the commandments God gave were in a specific language and that its nuances were used.

contradict eachother?

Only if you lack any ability to look at an issue from more than one point of view. It's cute. You've moved from accusing me of blasphemy to accusing me of contradicting myself. You're still sidestepping this issue that it doesn't matter anyway.

Sorry, FT, but it's just you.

You make no sense.

Just so you know.

It would still be blasphemous if you contradicted yourself.

*facedesk* Still not making any sense whatsoever.


Someone else please give it a go?

Someone else please give it a go?

Since you're making it look so enjoyable, how can we resist?

Yeah I did post something else here... but I've had my fun. I'll stop now.

Why do you people bother? This is like arguing with a dog and getting annoyed that it doesn't understand what you're saying and can't offer offer anything more solid to justify it's position than "roof roof".

Does your definition of "fun" include being needlessly obnoxious, FT? It does seem that way from your posts.

Why yes it does hk.

And Jesbus why did you bother? You comment was more pointless than anything I've posted. Why do you even post?

::throws a bone::

Go get it, boy.

Does your definition of "fun" include being needlessly obnoxious, FT? It does seem that way from your posts.

Why yes it does hk.

This is the mod-voice. I was giving you the benefit of the doubt until now. But now that you've stated for the record your intentions, I am saying that if you do it again, you will be officially warned.

I was being sarcastic.


I do love how the mods just ignore everything Jebus says though. That's great.

Hate to break it to you, but your actions haven't exactly supported that as sarcasm. Please do yourself and everyone else a favour and just try to discuss a little when you open a topic.

No worries.... not gonna be back on this forum.