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Never. [...] I think its a disgusting habit

Agreed on these parts (though I find "digusting" to be a bit harsh). I don't think I've ever heard a guy do that, but maybe I just don't notice.

The closest thing I can think of is when people try to drag in others so it's not like them alone are confronting you. "I was talking to <person> about <thing>, and we want you to stop <whatever>". Usually it's not at all the same, but that lead-in with "<thing>" can sometimes be overly long.

I have a feeling, zero, that Froth was referring to the disgusting habit being discussed before Kimmie let slip her little manipulating conversations trick.

Kimmie, first of all, guys don't talk about stuff, so they don't need clever schemes to make girls talk. Secondly, even if a guy is particularly talkative, all he needs to do is drop a vague mention of the subject to a girl to get an hour long, speedily delivered rant, ranging in decibel levels from high to extremely high, covering pretty much every topic remotely related to the original subject, which would then be followed up by about 3-4 emails in essay format with afterthoughts on the whole thing.

My bad. I was trying to make response of Zero's post and couldnt do it. No wonder.

As far as the tricks to get people to talk about what you want to talk about. I dont thing Ive ever had that problem. Of course its rare that I want to get a girl to talk about something specific. Im fine with meaningless conversations most the time. But even when I do, I just kind of follow the flow of the conversation and then bring it up when the time seems right. Its really not that hard.

But Im really non confrontational by nature. Ive only ever been in a fight one in my life with a girl. And you can hardly call it a fight, its just the closest thing to one.

But if I want to bring something up, I know how to make it a delicate subject and not have a fight about it. Usually I can convince the girl that whatever problem is brought up, its her fault the relationship isnt as swell as it could be. And then I have to explain why Im at fault ALSO so that she doesnt feel as bad. haha. Is that manipulative? I like to think of myself as really good at solving problems in relationships, and be able to leave on good terms. Course, kind of screwed up that last one when I told her to F off. But it was a stupid reason to break up, and I still struggle to understand it. Were cool now though.

Oh I hate to admit it , but shure I can be manipulative when I want something bad enough. Damn i'm awfull!!

When it comes to interesting ways to bring up a topic, I can really go both ways. In my admittedly passive-aggressive nature I tend to drag things on through a period of conversations to get a "feel" for how my topic will go over before actually bringing it up. However, I can go the complete opposite direction and be completely up front and generally blunt and just bring something up out of nowhere, "Hey, so you wanna have anal sex? Cause I'm into that." Of course, even then I purposefully overexaggerate to get a feel for my intended topic before I get there.

So, I guess I proved myself wrong in that whole diatribe. Point being, yes, at least some guys are that neurotic.

I've got a question for all the guys (and girls can comment too if you have personal experiences). Do you actually leave the toilet seat up or do you find the claim that we all do that to be an unfair stereotype?

The honest truth, and I know I'm an outlier, is that when using a conventional toilet I prefer to sit down. Only if it's clean, obviously. If I'm in a stank hole I'll treat it like a stank hole, but otherwise I'll just sit and avoid the mess every other guy on the planet seems to enjoy leaving everywhere. I don't want to clean that, I'm just as lazy as they are.

I always close it because of toothbrushes.

I always close it because of toothbrushes.

Me too! Our new bathroom has a built in toothbrush holder really near the toilet - Paul says I'm paranoid for not wanting to use it. But the POO GERMS! The POO GERMS!!

MythBusters proved that toilet aerosols are nothing to scoff at. I even showed that episode to one of my classes once.

Anyway, in my family it's always been common practice to close the lid. Not because of a fear of germs, but why leave the toilet open if you're not using it?

I always, always close it, and I actually have to try in order to not close it. My mom always yelled at me growing up for leaving it up, so, now, voila.

Now, something I don't understand is what the big deal is. No matter what, someone will have to do additional actions involving the toilet seat. If a guy follows proper etiquette, he'll have to shut it when finished. This is equal to one unit of tMu (toilet movement--unnecessary). If he doesn't put it down, the girl will have to use one tMu. Even worse, if it was put down at the end of the last session, the guy will have to use two tMu. So the compromise of the girl putting it down prior to use and the guy putting it up prior to use is really the most efficient and fair way to proceed.

Do you actually leave the toilet seat up or do you find the claim that we all do that to be an unfair stereotype?

I always put it down when it's in a place I consider 'home'. Even when I'm only living with guys; even when I'm the only one home for days. I feel uneasy about putting it down somewhere else where it was previously up, like I'm trying to change how they do things or something. But I usually do anyway.

MythBusters proved

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Now, something I don't understand is what the big deal is. No matter what, someone will have to do additional actions involving the toilet seat. If a guy follows proper etiquette, he'll have to shut it when finished. This is equal to one unit of tMu (toilet movement--unnecessary). If he doesn't put it down, the girl will have to use one tMu. Even worse, if it was put down at the end of the last session, the guy will have to use two tMu. So the compromise of the girl putting it down prior to use and the guy putting it up prior to use is really the most efficient and fair way to proceed.

It's a HUGE deal when you're 7 months pregnant and toddle to the bathroom in the middle of the night and have to wake up your husband to pull you out because he didn't put the seat down.

(in Brian's defense, that was probably the only time he hasn't put the seat down in our entire marriage. It was poor timing, that's for sure.)

It's a HUGE deal when you're 7 months pregnant and toddle to the bathroom in the middle of the night and have to wake up your husband to pull you out because he didn't put the seat down.

(in Brian's defense, that was probably the only time he hasn't put the seat down in our entire marriage. It was poor timing, that's for sure.)

If every girl who ever used every bathroom I ever had used previously was 7 months pregnant, I would be sure to put the seat down.

However, this was not part of the original problem.

I always close the lid. I always have. I was actually got yelled at by a girl for closing the lid. She had to go really bad. Went running into the bathroom. Obviously wasn't paying attention because she proceeded to pee all over the lid and herself. I thought it was pretty funny. She did not share this sentiment.

Why have a lid on something if you're not going to close it? My parents taught me to always close the lid, so I always have.

Are we talking about the toilet seat or the lid?

I always close the lid. I'm afraid that something from the cabinet above will fall in while I'm taking stuff out. Plus, I don't like seeing the water even if it is clean.

I hate it when people don't close the seat, but I don't really think it matters all that much.

I always close the lid. I always have. I was actually got yelled at by a girl for closing the lid. She had to go really bad. Went running into the bathroom. Obviously wasn't paying attention because she proceeded to pee all over the lid and herself. I thought it was pretty funny. She did not share this sentiment.

That was the funniest thing I read all day.

My boyfriend used to leave it up, which I found slightly annoying but not bad enough to really comment on. I was kind of figuring like Mich said, either way one of us was going to have to have a tMu.

However, one day he connected in his head the cats drinking from the toilet with the piles of cat puke we were cleaning, and we both suddenly became very, very conscientious about closing the entire lid.

However, one day he connected in his head the cats drinking from the toilet with the piles of cat puke we were cleaning, and we both suddenly became very, very conscientious about closing the entire lid.

This is the other reason. He likes to jump up onto it, open or not, and it was especially dangerous when he was a tiny kitten.

It depends where i'm at, upstairs at home thats the Girls domain, its too clean and prissy up there! downstairs or in the shop ,I get pissed if someone leaves the seat down, with my destroyed spine and me being so damn tall its actually a problem to lift it at times!

Mich has highlighted precisely why this whole toilet seat issue is a typical woman irrationality. Effort in puting seat up = effort in putting seat down. In fact, it's fair to say putting the seat up requires an ever so slight increase in effort over putting it down. Plus, men only leave the seat up about 3 or 4 times out of 5 visits to the toilet, so it's not even every time!

Women need to stop f****** complaining about so much stuff.

Being gay would be fantastic.

But didn't you just admit guys are to lazy to just put the lid down.

I guess he did.

Yuh-uh, but we don't complain about the other not putting it up for us, Ms Irrationally Anonymous.

It's not so much about being "lazy" as it is about being "fair." Why should we exert all the effort of moving the seat up and down while you exert none? It makes even less sense in a house of with a male majority, where the chances of it needed to be up is greater than the chances of it needed to be down, thereby making even more uTM if they must put it up and down every time they use the bathroom. And why exactly is the man who doesn't put the seat down lazy, while the woman trying to get out of not having to put the seat down isn't?

Plus, I don't buy the whole "but we fall in if you leave it up!" nonsense (I'm not just talking about you, Steph, I've heard numerous women make this claim). The solution is very simple: look at the toilet before you sit down. It's not as if guys don't have to look. Unless we feel like a) pissing on the seat and our feet and b) getting yelled out for getting it on the seat, floor, whathaveyou, we have to check to see if it's up or down.

look at the toilet before you sit down

My one argument against this is as follows: when it's late at night/super early in the morning, I wouldn't want to turn on the light and wake myself up any more than was necessary or else I'd be awake for hours trying to fall back asleep, at which point I'd need to get up for school. I could have asked my mom to buy a dim night light, I guess, but it just seemed like a kind gesture on my brothers' parts to leave the seat down would be more cost effective.

I fell in once but my brothers were pretty good about it with that one time being the exception. However, I also did have the problem of the lid being down and me having to go quite urgently and not being able to wait long enough to notice at first. That was...unpleasant but eh, nothing I wouldn't own up to.

Now that I have the bathroom to myself again (hallelujah and all that), the seat and the lid both go down, even though I keep my toothbrush in a case.

I've gotta say, I don't think I've ever failed to notice the position of the lid/seat before starting my business.

look at the toilet before you sit down

My one argument against this is as follows: when it's late at night/super early in the morning, I wouldn't want to turn on the light and wake myself up any more than was necessary or else I'd be awake for hours trying to fall back asleep, at which point I'd need to get up for school. I could have asked my mom to buy a dim night light, I guess, but it just seemed like a kind gesture on my brothers' parts to leave the seat down would be more cost effective.

I fell in once but my brothers were pretty good about it with that one time being the exception. However, I also did have the problem of the lid being down and me having to go quite urgently and not being able to wait long enough to notice at first. That was...unpleasant but eh, nothing I wouldn't own up to.

Of course you realise this has nothing to do with the logic behind whether the seat should be up or not, correct? It's like running a red and blaming it on the fact that you failed to look at the traffic lights.

Clearly, Jebus, if it's a woman going through the intersection, we should be smart enough to turn it green for her.

I've gotta say, I don't think I've ever failed to notice the position of the lid/seat before starting my business.

Yes. This.

Clearly, Jebus, if it's a woman going through the intersection, we should be smart enough to turn it green for her.

I still find the whole women being allowed to drive thing deeply illogical. And don't get me started on voting.

I should be in the kitchen

While you're there, make me a sandwich. There's a good girl.

My one argument against this is as follows: when it's late at night/super early in the morning, I wouldn't want to turn on the light and wake myself up any more than was necessary or else I'd be awake for hours trying to fall back asleep, at which point I'd need to get up for school. I could have asked my mom to buy a dim night light, I guess, but it just seemed like a kind gesture on my brothers' parts to leave the seat down would be more cost effective.

And you couldn't feel the back of the toilet to see if the seat and/or lid were up before plopping down? Like I said, it's not as if guys don't have to check in that situation (we really don't just go by sonar), so why shouldn't the gals?