The New News Thread
-
- Speaker for the Dead
- Posts: 5185
- Joined: Tue Sep 26, 2006 6:30 pm
- Title: Age quod agis
- First Joined: 04 Feb 2002
- Location: ^ Geez, read the sign.
- neo-dragon
- Commander
- Posts: 2516
- Joined: Tue Sep 26, 2006 5:26 pm
- Title: Huey Revolutionary
- Location: Canada
It's more a matter of apathy than not thinking my vote counts. Jack Layton seems a little more trustworthy than the other guys, but I figure life will go on no matter who wins.neo, every vote counts. It might be less apparent in our current system, but if only to protest against the outrageousness of Stephen Harper you should vote. Hell, we're in ENGLAND and we voted!
That's right, I'm a lousy citizen.
"Deep in the human unconscious is a pervasive need for a logical universe that makes sense. But the real universe is always one step beyond logic."
- Frank Herbert's 'Dune'
- Frank Herbert's 'Dune'
- neo-dragon
- Commander
- Posts: 2516
- Joined: Tue Sep 26, 2006 5:26 pm
- Title: Huey Revolutionary
- Location: Canada
-
- Speaker for the Dead
- Posts: 5185
- Joined: Tue Sep 26, 2006 6:30 pm
- Title: Age quod agis
- First Joined: 04 Feb 2002
- Location: ^ Geez, read the sign.
It's not just that for me. I also have the ghost of the knowledge that my right to vote was hard-fought and hard-won.I've just always grown up with and taken the view that if we don't exercise our right to speak when asked for our thoughts, then we have no right to speak when we haven't been asked.
"Only for today, I will devote 10 minutes of my time to some good reading, remembering that just as food is necessary to the life of the body, so good reading is necessary to the life of the soul." -- Pope John XXIII
- neo-dragon
- Commander
- Posts: 2516
- Joined: Tue Sep 26, 2006 5:26 pm
- Title: Huey Revolutionary
- Location: Canada
-
- Speaker for the Dead
- Posts: 5185
- Joined: Tue Sep 26, 2006 6:30 pm
- Title: Age quod agis
- First Joined: 04 Feb 2002
- Location: ^ Geez, read the sign.
For the record, that wasn't a dig at you. It's just something that goes through my mind each election.
"Only for today, I will devote 10 minutes of my time to some good reading, remembering that just as food is necessary to the life of the body, so good reading is necessary to the life of the soul." -- Pope John XXIII
- Syphon the Sun
- Toon Leader
- Posts: 2218
- Joined: Thu Aug 23, 2007 8:59 pm
- Title: Ozymandias
-
- Commander
- Posts: 8017
- Joined: Tue Sep 26, 2006 7:32 pm
- Title: Ewok in Tauntaun-land
I'll go ahead and be an a******. I don't think the world lost anything worth having around with his death but I don't understand all the "Rah, rah, rah, Go USA!! Ding dong the terrorist leader is dead!!" that I'm seeing. No, that's not right. I understand it, I just don't feel it.
Allow me to be the ignorant a****** at that but what does this change, that I'm supposed to be getting all riled up about? Justice was served? I guess but his death isn't going to bring anyone who died at his hands back. One less baddie running around plotting to kill innocent people? Sure, but there are plenty more where that came from.
I don't know. I am not sure why I can't get excited about this but it doesn't seem appropriate somehow.
Allow me to be the ignorant a****** at that but what does this change, that I'm supposed to be getting all riled up about? Justice was served? I guess but his death isn't going to bring anyone who died at his hands back. One less baddie running around plotting to kill innocent people? Sure, but there are plenty more where that came from.
I don't know. I am not sure why I can't get excited about this but it doesn't seem appropriate somehow.
Se paciente y duro; algún día este dolor te será útil.
- Mich
- Commander
- Posts: 2948
- Joined: Fri Sep 29, 2006 10:58 am
- Title: T.U.R.T.L.E. Power
- First Joined: 02 Apr 2002
- Location: Land o' Ports
- Contact:
I turned on the radio today when my iPod died, after a very long drive home from Spokane, and it was apparently a country station. I had only heard "oh hey, apparently Osama bin Laden is dead" from a friend, and pretty much felt how they said it: "oh, hey."I'll go ahead and be an a******. I don't think the world lost anything worth having around with his death but I don't understand all the "Rah, rah, rah, Go USA!! Ding dong the terrorist leader is dead!!" that I'm seeing. No, that's not right. I understand it, I just don't feel it.
Allow me to be the ignorant a****** at that but what does this change, that I'm supposed to be getting all riled up about? Justice was served? I guess but his death isn't going to bring anyone who died at his hands back. One less baddie running around plotting to kill innocent people? Sure, but there are plenty more where that came from.
I don't know. I am not sure why I can't get excited about this but it doesn't seem appropriate somehow.
Then this country station. I guess in some parts of the country people were dancing in the streets and firing off guns and fireworks? Wow.
So I felt pretty much how Alea felt. I don't really understand how people feel that the death of one man will trigger the decline of, what, terrorism? And apparently people feel it's retribution for 9/11. So, yeah. I don't know. As usual.
This is why I am always so involved in the political debates around here.
Shell the unshellable, crawl the uncrawlible.
Row--row.
Row--row.
It's understandable, from a psychological point of view. It's not as much the fact that a leader terrorist is killed in a militar action, as the emotions associated to him. Ben Laden is (rightfully) associated to fear, outrage... for many people these emotions have been oppressive for a long time, and the moment of his death is symbol of the release from them. Release from oppresion sparks happiness.
For others, it's like killing the big bad of a videogame, and that's a happy moment, too.
For others, it's like killing the big bad of a videogame, and that's a happy moment, too.
-
- Speaker for the Dead
- Posts: 5185
- Joined: Tue Sep 26, 2006 6:30 pm
- Title: Age quod agis
- First Joined: 04 Feb 2002
- Location: ^ Geez, read the sign.
Osama is dead. I'm glad he was found and neutralised. I suppose I'm glad he died cleanly in a firefight, since there was no way on earth he could have escaped execution, and this means we don't get to make a spectacle out of it. Also no one will attempt a rescue.
But he's dead and I feel relief, but no joy. Good work, you soldiers who got him, you will never have to buy a drink ever again.
But he's dead and I feel relief, but no joy. Good work, you soldiers who got him, you will never have to buy a drink ever again.
"Only for today, I will devote 10 minutes of my time to some good reading, remembering that just as food is necessary to the life of the body, so good reading is necessary to the life of the soul." -- Pope John XXIII
- neo-dragon
- Commander
- Posts: 2516
- Joined: Tue Sep 26, 2006 5:26 pm
- Title: Huey Revolutionary
- Location: Canada
Thank you, Alea.I'll go ahead and be an a******. I don't think the world lost anything worth having around with his death but I don't understand all the "Rah, rah, rah, Go USA!! Ding dong the terrorist leader is dead!!" that I'm seeing. No, that's not right. I understand it, I just don't feel it.
Allow me to be the ignorant a****** at that but what does this change, that I'm supposed to be getting all riled up about? Justice was served? I guess but his death isn't going to bring anyone who died at his hands back. One less baddie running around plotting to kill innocent people? Sure, but there are plenty more where that came from.
I don't know. I am not sure why I can't get excited about this but it doesn't seem appropriate somehow.
I knew it wasn't just because I'm not American that I am feeling much the same way.
But it's not just the feeling that this doesn't end or fix everything. I'm also not impressed by the moral implications of cheering in the streets and being joyous over anyone's death. He deserved it, and it was necessary, and the world may be a better place without him, but I don't think that it's ever appropriate to celebrate ending a life. There's a thin line between justice and vengeance.
"Deep in the human unconscious is a pervasive need for a logical universe that makes sense. But the real universe is always one step beyond logic."
- Frank Herbert's 'Dune'
- Frank Herbert's 'Dune'
-
- Speaker for the Dead
- Posts: 5185
- Joined: Tue Sep 26, 2006 6:30 pm
- Title: Age quod agis
- First Joined: 04 Feb 2002
- Location: ^ Geez, read the sign.
This. Rejoicing over his death puts me on his level.I'm also not impressed by the moral implications of cheering in the streets and being joyous over anyone's death. He deserved it, and it was necessary, and the world may be a better place without him, but I don't think that it's ever appropriate to celebrate ending a life. There's a thin line between justice and vengeance.
Edit: And pweb is such a voice of sanity compared to my facebook.
"Only for today, I will devote 10 minutes of my time to some good reading, remembering that just as food is necessary to the life of the body, so good reading is necessary to the life of the soul." -- Pope John XXIII
- starlooker
- Commander
- Posts: 3823
- Joined: Wed Sep 27, 2006 4:19 pm
- Title: Dr. Mom
- First Joined: 28 Oct 2002
- Location: Home. With cats who have names.
I don't know. I mean, I feel the way most people on here have expressed. I'm glad he's dead, I'm glad it happened this way, I felt no rejoicing.
And yet -- I don't live in, nor have I ever lived in, the two cities that were attacked on 9/11. And I can't help but wonder, if I did, would I feel more like the people in the streets?
And yet -- I don't live in, nor have I ever lived in, the two cities that were attacked on 9/11. And I can't help but wonder, if I did, would I feel more like the people in the streets?
There's another home somewhere,
There's another glimpse of sky...
There's another way to lean
into the wind, unafraid.
There's another life out there...
~~Mary Chapin Carpenter
There's another glimpse of sky...
There's another way to lean
into the wind, unafraid.
There's another life out there...
~~Mary Chapin Carpenter
-
- Toon Leader
- Posts: 1547
- Joined: Tue Sep 26, 2006 8:22 pm
- Title: The same thing we do every night...
- First Joined: 0- 7-2000
- Location: Wisconsin
- Contact:
i'm glad we found him finally. i guess i'm glad he's dead. i dunno.
my wife woke me up to tell me last night. so that might have an effect on how i feel about it which is kind of "meh"
it doesn't really change anything. the war will continue, people on both sides will die... al queda won't even be disorganized, i'm sure that some of the people that were under osama were more fearsome than that old bitch.
my first thought though upon hearing the news was more like "i hope this doesn't lead to some nasty retaliation. we don't need another 9/11 because of this"
my wife woke me up to tell me last night. so that might have an effect on how i feel about it which is kind of "meh"
it doesn't really change anything. the war will continue, people on both sides will die... al queda won't even be disorganized, i'm sure that some of the people that were under osama were more fearsome than that old bitch.
my first thought though upon hearing the news was more like "i hope this doesn't lead to some nasty retaliation. we don't need another 9/11 because of this"
Ubernaustrum
- neo-dragon
- Commander
- Posts: 2516
- Joined: Tue Sep 26, 2006 5:26 pm
- Title: Huey Revolutionary
- Location: Canada
I don't know that it's official but it appears to be a Conservative majority. Liberals got KILLED by NDP.
Can't say that nothing changed this election.
ETA
Yeah, I think it's pretty official now.
Can't say that nothing changed this election.
ETA
Yeah, I think it's pretty official now.
"Deep in the human unconscious is a pervasive need for a logical universe that makes sense. But the real universe is always one step beyond logic."
- Frank Herbert's 'Dune'
- Frank Herbert's 'Dune'
-
- Speaker for the Dead
- Posts: 5185
- Joined: Tue Sep 26, 2006 6:30 pm
- Title: Age quod agis
- First Joined: 04 Feb 2002
- Location: ^ Geez, read the sign.
Dear Canada,
What the hell is wrong with you? I mean, seriously.
Kudos to Saanich, though. I'm thrilled a Green finally got in.
I'm now going to consider applying for British citizenship.
What the hell is wrong with you? I mean, seriously.
Kudos to Saanich, though. I'm thrilled a Green finally got in.
I'm now going to consider applying for British citizenship.
"Only for today, I will devote 10 minutes of my time to some good reading, remembering that just as food is necessary to the life of the body, so good reading is necessary to the life of the soul." -- Pope John XXIII
-
- Speaker for the Dead
- Posts: 5185
- Joined: Tue Sep 26, 2006 6:30 pm
- Title: Age quod agis
- First Joined: 04 Feb 2002
- Location: ^ Geez, read the sign.
Well, they haven't yet been found in contempt of parliament, nor pulled the elections shenanigans the Canadians did, so... I guess? I mean, it's not a very high bar, but still.
"Only for today, I will devote 10 minutes of my time to some good reading, remembering that just as food is necessary to the life of the body, so good reading is necessary to the life of the soul." -- Pope John XXIII
- neo-dragon
- Commander
- Posts: 2516
- Joined: Tue Sep 26, 2006 5:26 pm
- Title: Huey Revolutionary
- Location: Canada
How about we just declare pweb an independent nation and we all get citizenship?I'm now going to consider applying for British citizenship.
"Deep in the human unconscious is a pervasive need for a logical universe that makes sense. But the real universe is always one step beyond logic."
- Frank Herbert's 'Dune'
- Frank Herbert's 'Dune'
-
- Speaker for the Dead
- Posts: 5185
- Joined: Tue Sep 26, 2006 6:30 pm
- Title: Age quod agis
- First Joined: 04 Feb 2002
- Location: ^ Geez, read the sign.
OK.How about we just declare pweb an independent nation and we all get citizenship?I'm now going to consider applying for British citizenship.
"Only for today, I will devote 10 minutes of my time to some good reading, remembering that just as food is necessary to the life of the body, so good reading is necessary to the life of the soul." -- Pope John XXIII
- Janus%TheDoorman
- Toon Leader
- Posts: 563
- Joined: Wed May 30, 2007 8:05 am
- Title: The Original Two-Face
- Location: New Jersey
So wait, [American, not really familiar with the Canadian system] the Conservative government I've heard only terrible things about is determined to have acted in contempt of Parliament, is dissolved, and as a result of the ensuing elections, the Conservatives are now stronger than before the government was dissolved?
"But at any rate, the point is that God is what nobody admits to being, and everybody really is."
-Alan Watts
-Alan Watts
-
- Toon Leader
- Posts: 1547
- Joined: Tue Sep 26, 2006 8:22 pm
- Title: The same thing we do every night...
- First Joined: 0- 7-2000
- Location: Wisconsin
- Contact:
yeah, but you have to realize that canadian conservatives are like american liberals except with comically exaggerated canadian accents and say things like "eh?" and "soooorry"
"we should let homosexuals marry and have the same rights as everyone else. and everyone should have free healthcare. and upper middle class and higher should have to pay more taxes too, eh? sooooorry"
everyone in canada is so nice.
"we should let homosexuals marry and have the same rights as everyone else. and everyone should have free healthcare. and upper middle class and higher should have to pay more taxes too, eh? sooooorry"
everyone in canada is so nice.
Ubernaustrum
-
- Toon Leader
- Posts: 1547
- Joined: Tue Sep 26, 2006 8:22 pm
- Title: The same thing we do every night...
- First Joined: 0- 7-2000
- Location: Wisconsin
- Contact:
- Rei
- Commander
- Posts: 3068
- Joined: Tue Sep 26, 2006 6:31 pm
- Title: Fides quaerens intellectum
- First Joined: 24 Nov 2003
- Location: Between the lines
Basically, yes. Contrary to what all the polls were predicting by 1 May. What we were expecting was a minority Conservative government with an NDP official opposition (that being it's own minor upset) and a mildly reduced Liberal party and Bloc Quebecois. Instead the Conservatives won a solid majority, the NDP took a MUCH stronger position than expected, the Liberal party was vastly reduced to the fewest seats it's ever had, the Bloc Quebecois have been nearly demolished, and the Green party got its first seat ever.So wait, [American, not really familiar with the Canadian system] the Conservative government I've heard only terrible things about is determined to have acted in contempt of Parliament, is dissolved, and as a result of the ensuing elections, the Conservatives are now stronger than before the government was dissolved?
So... yeah. Bleh.
Le coeur a ses raisons que la raison ne connait point.
~Blaise Pascal
私は。。。誰?
Dernhelm
~Blaise Pascal
私は。。。誰?
Dernhelm
Return to “Milagre Town Square”
Who is online
Users browsing this forum: Ahrefs [Bot] and 6 guests