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Postby wizzard » Tue Dec 12, 2006 10:04 am

Hey folks. I'm writing my Christmas list, and I need a little advice on what OSC works to ask for.

I have read and enjoyed:
The Ender Series
Alvin Maker Series
Pastwatch: The Redemption of Christopher Columbus
Enchantment
First Meetings

I have read and hated:
The Shadow Series
The Homecoming Series

Please advise
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Postby zeroguy » Tue Dec 12, 2006 11:45 am

I didn't really like the Shadow and Homecoming (sorta) series either... so, my recs:

Songmaster (which I'm reading right now)
Treason
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Postby eriador » Tue Dec 12, 2006 1:54 pm

Treason is good.

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Postby Jayelle » Tue Dec 12, 2006 1:56 pm

I'll add my vote for Treason, though it can be hard to find.

You might like the Women of Genesis series, wizzard.
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Postby wizzard » Tue Dec 12, 2006 3:54 pm

Sounds like Treason should be on my list.

I keep meaning to read the Women of Genesis series, and I'm sure I will eventually, but I can't ask for it for Christmas. I'm pretty sure my parents wouldn't approve.
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Postby Tcashon » Wed Dec 13, 2006 8:15 am

Doesn't he have a new book out...."Empire" maybe? Check that out, it looked pretty interesting.

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Postby Seiryu » Wed Dec 13, 2006 2:52 pm

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Postby eriador » Wed Dec 13, 2006 8:08 pm

Lovelock too. For a quick read, I'd suggest First Meetings. Good, fun Ender background.

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Postby Sibyl » Sat Dec 16, 2006 9:52 am

wizzard wrote:Sounds like Treason should be on my list.

I keep meaning to read the Women of Genesis series, and I'm sure I will eventually, but I can't ask for it for Christmas. I'm pretty sure my parents wouldn't approve.


As a parental (and grandparental) and religious (Christian, non-LDS) and Bible-History enthusiast and SF-freak type myself, I'm curious as to why you think your parents wouldn't approve? My own daughter learned to read from Piers Anthony's Xanth series, having the books read to her, and wanting more than the chapter (or three) per night that she got read aloud.

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Postby Seiryu » Wed Dec 27, 2006 5:04 am

You should go with Treasure Box as well. I read it this week. Very good. It is hard to put down and it's not your typical OSC. (From the short list of books of his I've read, anyway.) (Come to think of it, is there a typical OSC?)


Yeah, I know it's past Christmas, but surely you got Christmas money, right?
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Postby luminousnerd » Tue Jan 02, 2007 7:18 pm

wizzard wrote:Hey folks. I'm writing my Christmas list, and I need a little advice on what OSC works to ask for.

I have read and enjoyed:
The Ender Series
Alvin Maker Series
Pastwatch: The Redemption of Christopher Columbus
Enchantment
First Meetings

I have read and hated:
The Shadow Series
The Homecoming Series

Please advise


Eek...I can't believe anyone could dislike the Shadow series OR the homecoming series!! XD

I like folk of the fringe, but it's definitely definitely mormon. Still good to read though, even though sometimes he tries to make you feel all good inside and if you're not mormon you just feel sick to your stomach.

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Postby Ua Lava » Wed Jan 03, 2007 10:15 pm

For a quick read, go with Empire. If you want something a little deeper, Worthing Saga.
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Postby hive_king » Wed Jan 03, 2007 10:27 pm

I hated the Worthing Saga. It was alright untill the end, when he started shoving Mormon theology down our throats
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Postby luminousnerd » Wed Jan 03, 2007 10:46 pm

hive_king wrote:I hated the Worthing Saga. It was alright untill the end, when he started shoving Mormon theology down our throats


I haven't read it, but Folk of the Fringe is this way too. What a tragedy :(
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Postby eriador » Wed Jan 03, 2007 11:18 pm

I liked Worthing until the end, however, with FotF I hated it from just about the first page.

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Postby luminousnerd » Thu Jan 04, 2007 12:37 am

eriador wrote:I liked Worthing until the end, however, with FotF I hated it from just about the first page.


Well I really really liked the first "chapter" (don't know what else to call them), until it started getting grotesquely mormon. I don't have a problem with mormon characters, but when the author relies on the hope that you'll feel all wholesome when someone is converted, he fails to make other areas interesting.
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Postby eriador » Thu Jan 04, 2007 11:07 am

Well he layed it on pretty thick with the whole "Wah. The baptists were mean to us. Wah!" it was no fun.

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Postby Sibyl » Thu Jan 04, 2007 12:12 pm

luminousnerd wrote:
eriador wrote:I liked Worthing until the end, however, with FotF I hated it from just about the first page.


Well I really really liked the first "chapter" (don't know what else to call them), until it started getting grotesquely mormon. I don't have a problem with mormon characters, but when the author relies on the hope that you'll feel all wholesome when someone is converted, he fails to make other areas interesting.


I can't agree here, really.

Digressing, it's not a novel with chapters, it's a collection of short stories, and in the edition I read, at least, he had another piece that explained how they came to be written, not in the "historical order" for that universe, but filling in back story with other stories. I think he also said in something somewhere else that he'd been wanting to do a universe about Community, specifically Mormon Community, since that's the one that he fits in and knows best of any.

I wouldn't call it "grotesquely" Mormon, it's just plain Mormon. And as a Christian, I _did_ feel all wholesome about the Baptism, even though it's not my kind of Baptism, as I also did in Lost Boys. It could just as easily have been a Christian Church Baptism, if that had been the community that Teague fell in with, and found a home and a community within.

eriador wrote: Well he layed it on pretty thick with the whole "Wah. The baptists were mean to us. Wah!" it was no fun.


And I'd call that just plain offensive, trivializing the survivors of a genocide-- and yes, I do believe that Baptists as a group are capable of genocide, as are most human groups when they fall prey to mob psychology (which he also portrayed in one of the Speaker books, aimed at the piggies).

Card was recasting Mormon history of persecution, which is a part of American History that I've known all my life, first before the migration to Utah, and a couple of generations later when the Army went to Utah, shattered polygamous families by force, and put the husbands and fathers of those families in jail. While I'm not necessarily in favor of polygamy, and it can be very cruel to some women, given the nature of human males (not all of you) to regard women as property and not human, some women (with some husbands) function in that system very well. Ideally, I'd think the feds should have _asked_ the women, individually, if they wanted to opt out, and arranged for transportation and support of those who did, with the children who went with them, somewhere else, thus not taking a hard-and-fast line. In general, it _was_ persecution, and before the migration, there was quite a lot of mob-violence, blood and murder and lynching.

You're right about one thing, though, genocide is not "fun", no more than is Xenocide "fun."

And btw, just in case folks haven't noticed, I'm not a Mormon, though I've studied them some, my mother-in-law's brother was RLDS and Baptized her (I don't think it took: she was secular to the end of her life, but she said it made him feel better about her soul).

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Re: What next?

Postby shadow_8818 » Fri Nov 07, 2008 6:29 pm

wizzard wrote:Hey folks. I'm writing my Christmas list, and I need a little advice on what OSC works to ask for.

I have read and enjoyed:
The Ender Series
Alvin Maker Series
Pastwatch: The Redemption of Christopher Columbus
Enchantment
First Meetings

I have read and hated:
The Shadow Series
The Homecoming Series

Please advise


You don't like the shadow series
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Postby lyons24000 » Fri Nov 07, 2008 10:04 pm

shadow_8818 wrote:
wizzard wrote:Hey folks. I'm writing my Christmas list, and I need a little advice on what OSC works to ask for.

I have read and enjoyed:
The Ender Series
Alvin Maker Series
Pastwatch: The Redemption of Christopher Columbus
Enchantment
First Meetings

I have read and hated:
The Shadow Series
The Homecoming Series

Please advise


You don't like the shadow series


That is the most obvious statement ever, since he already said that he didn't like the Shadow series. If you meant it as a question, go view the post I made for you in the "Question for Christians" thread in the "Religion" forum.
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Postby Glass » Wed Dec 30, 2009 6:32 pm

eriador wrote:Lovelock too. For a quick read, I'd suggest First Meetings. Good, fun Ender background.


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Postby Glass » Wed Dec 30, 2009 6:34 pm

luminousnerd wrote:
wizzard wrote:Hey folks. I'm writing my Christmas list, and I need a little advice on what OSC works to ask for.

I have read and enjoyed:
The Ender Series
Alvin Maker Series
Pastwatch: The Redemption of Christopher Columbus
Enchantment
First Meetings

I have read and hated:
The Shadow Series
The Homecoming Series

Please advise


Eek...I can't believe anyone could dislike the Shadow series OR the homecoming series!! XD

I like folk of the fringe, but it's definitely definitely mormon. Still good to read though, even though sometimes he tries to make you feel all good inside and if you're not mormon you just feel sick to your stomach.



Ender > Bean
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Re: What next?

Postby perspicacious.emperor » Thu Dec 31, 2009 9:52 pm

Glass wrote:
luminousnerd wrote:
wizzard wrote:Hey folks. I'm writing my Christmas list, and I need a little advice on what OSC works to ask for.

I have read and enjoyed:
The Ender Series
Alvin Maker Series
Pastwatch: The Redemption of Christopher Columbus
Enchantment
First Meetings

I have read and hated:
The Shadow Series
The Homecoming Series

Please advise


Eek...I can't believe anyone could dislike the Shadow series OR the homecoming series!! XD

I like folk of the fringe, but it's definitely definitely mormon. Still good to read though, even though sometimes he tries to make you feel all good inside and if you're not mormon you just feel sick to your stomach.



Ender > Bean


Bean > Ender

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Postby Sonikku13 » Thu Dec 31, 2009 9:55 pm

This can go on forever! But since the characterization of Ender hooked me into the Enderverse in the first place...

Ender > Bean.

Though I'll admit, Bean is a great character.

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