A question of Jane's intentions

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A question of Jane's intentions

Postby Guderian93 » Thu Aug 08, 2013 1:09 am

Why exactly did Jane basically let the Starways Congress know about Miro's violations of law in dealings with the Pequinos by allowing the satellite data to fall into the hands of people who understood what was happening? This led to the problem of the Lusitania fleet (I haven't yet finished Xenocide, so it may lead to Jane's death as well). Scott hasn't yet even mentioned this fact since it happened.

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Re: A question of Jane's intentions

Postby neo-dragon » Thu Aug 08, 2013 7:35 pm

That's one aspect of the plot that never made much sense to me either. The only rationale I can come up with is that it forced the Lusitanians into trusting and working with Ender, and Starways Congress would have found out eventually anyway. The evidence was there, Jane just pointed it out.

But you're right. As far as I remember, no one calls Jane out on the fact that she's the one who brought the fleet down on them, but of course, probably only Ender and Miro know that, and they're not the type to point fingers when it won't help solve the problem.
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Re: A question of Jane's intentions

Postby Guderian93 » Thu Aug 08, 2013 8:51 pm

Not alerting the Starways Congress would have given Lusitania more time to take care of the Descolada and form relations with the piggies. I suppose it was used as a literary element in that it sped up the story. Also, I guess super-intelligent machines who exist within the most fundamental physics of reality can make mistakes too :P

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Re: A question of Jane's intentions

Postby EAGLE » Fri Aug 09, 2013 1:48 pm

Before any one says anything more....FINISH Xenocicde you'll be glad you did.

There is a line I would use from the book but finish the book first then ask the question. It's a line that makes since to me once to you get to it. The logic in your question is answered
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Re: A question of Jane's intentions

Postby neo-dragon » Sat Aug 10, 2013 2:00 am

I've read Xenocide a few times and I can't think of what you're referring to. Maybe it's been too long.
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Re: A question of Jane's intentions

Postby EAGLE » Sun Aug 11, 2013 3:22 pm

possible but I dont want to ruin the rest of the book for em you know.

And really Xenocide is the hardest book to get through
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Re: A question of Jane's intentions

Postby Luet » Mon Aug 12, 2013 8:07 am

You can use spoiler text if you would like.
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Re: A question of Jane's intentions

Postby EAGLE » Mon Aug 12, 2013 11:06 am

Luet wrote:You can use spoiler text if you would like.



lol true thanks Luet.
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Re: A question of Jane's intentions

Postby neo-dragon » Tue Aug 13, 2013 6:26 pm

Hardest to get through? Xenocide is my favourite out of all the books except for Ender's Game itself.
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Re: A question of Jane's intentions

Postby EAGLE » Tue Aug 13, 2013 6:56 pm

neo-dragon wrote:Hardest to get through? Xenocide is my favourite out of all the books except for Ender's Game itself.


out of all of the books in Ender's Series it's a grind to get through. Slowest pace and if your not committed (like my wife, she got half way then lost interest) then you wont make it to CofM, which is one of my favorites
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Re: A question of Jane's intentions

Postby Luet » Tue Aug 13, 2013 7:21 pm

See, Xenoxide is my favorite of the Ender series, while I found CotM very hard to get through.
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Re: A question of Jane's intentions

Postby EAGLE » Tue Aug 13, 2013 7:35 pm

really, interesting. For me I was crack baby when I got my hands on CotM. Which is why the Shadow series was downed and finished really fast compared to Enders
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Re: A question of Jane's intentions

Postby Varelse » Thu Oct 03, 2013 6:10 pm

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Re: A question of Jane's intentions

Postby EAGLE » Thu Oct 03, 2013 8:25 pm

Varelse wrote:Funny, I was just discussing this with a friend. His favorite book is Xenocide, whereas I lost interest halfway through on my first reading. I've learned to love it more, but I still prefer CotM.

I think it had to do with Qing Jao and Wang Mu, and something with the pacing about 1/4 of the way through.



Same thing happened for me and my wife (who has yet to finish it) upon our first read throughs of Xenocide. The pace is very slow. I kept going because I wanted to get through it (addicted to the series) she's now put the book down and only wants to read it via audible audio book.
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Re: A question of Jane's intentions

Postby Varelse » Fri Oct 04, 2013 11:21 am

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Re: A question of Jane's intentions

Postby EAGLE » Fri Oct 04, 2013 3:24 pm

ya I now have Xenocide, CotM, and working on Ender's Game for audible. Wife want's to go back from the beginning and re-hear them from the beginning instead of just re-picking up the book. Still agreed expensive.
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Re: A question of Jane's intentions

Postby h3rminator » Thu Nov 07, 2013 9:35 am

So something that has been bugging me in Xenocide that I can't seem to find an explanation for. Jane shows the evidence of Miro and Ouanda's interference, so congress sends the fleets. However, when Miro is hurt the piggies tell him that have have in the past crossed the fence and roamed Milagre unrestricted, we can assume since it's been there. Why didn't anyone just point that out as being the reason for the "advancement", they could have easily learned everything that the humans were accused of on there own. Therefore, there could easily be the argument that there was no interference, no?

Help me out here, it's been really bugging me.

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Re: A question of Jane's intentions

Postby elfprince13 » Thu Nov 07, 2013 10:45 am

Pretty sure that allowing them to cross the fence would also constitute interference.
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Re: A question of Jane's intentions

Postby h3rminator » Thu Nov 07, 2013 12:38 pm

They didn't "allow" them, they had been doing it all along unbeknownst to the the colonist. They had no clue at all the piggies were doing it.

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Postby elfprince13 » Thu Nov 07, 2013 3:34 pm

h3rminator wrote:They didn't "allow" them, they had been doing it all along unbeknownst to the the colonist. They had no clue at all the piggies were doing it.

Cultural contamination was taking place, which was the only metric the Starways Congress really cared about
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Re: A question of Jane's intentions

Postby agawin » Fri Nov 22, 2013 11:54 pm

ok so im reading xenocide, and i dont really get who jane is ... isnt she like a program or something?

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Re: A question of Jane's intentions

Postby elfprince13 » Sat Nov 23, 2013 12:56 am

agawin wrote:ok so im reading xenocide, and i dont really get who jane is ... isnt she like a program or something?


Yes, did you read Speaker for the Dead too?
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Re: A question of Jane's intentions

Postby agawin » Mon Nov 25, 2013 4:17 am

i read enders game, speaker 4 the dead, enders shadow, and am reading xenocide and shadow of the hegemon. in xenocide i am at the part where they just lit the trees on fire.


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