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EiE - Arkanian Delphiki *SPOILERS*

Postby Mega » Thu Jan 01, 2009 2:06 pm

I may be the only one that thinks this, but that was a stupid plot. Card barely developed, took a few chapters to complete it, it just wasn't well done. If Card had made that more in depth, by either lengthening the book, or taking out nonessentials in the other parts of the book, it would have been better, but he didn't. It was a significant thing, and it probably should have been elaborated on more, like more then the chapters given.

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Postby HaricotVert » Thu Jan 01, 2009 2:59 pm

that may be true, but you shouldnt call it a stupid plot. especially after you yourself called it an important sequence in the story of Ender Wiggin.

I agree that more time should have been spent on the chapters concerning Arkanian Delphiki and Ender's time spent on Ganges. However, you have to take into concideration that Ender spent a significant amount of time in Shakespeare Colony as opposed to how little he spent on Ganges.

What nonessentials would be taken out?
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Postby neo-dragon » Thu Jan 01, 2009 3:49 pm

If you read the afterword, Card explains that initially the conflict on Ganges was going to be the central story of the book, but somewhere along the way he decided to focus on Shakespeare colony instead.
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Postby Person122 » Tue Jan 06, 2009 9:02 pm

If you read the afterword, Card explains that initially the conflict on Ganges was going to be the central story of the book, but somewhere along the way he decided to focus on Shakespeare colony instead.
I've read the afterword twice but I don't remember anything like that. Guess I'll just have to check again.

I don't really feel the Arkanian Delphiki sub-plot was really resolved in my opinion. What happened to Arkanian afterwards? Hopefully OSC ties up those plot ends some other time.
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Postby neo-dragon » Tue Jan 06, 2009 9:42 pm

I doubt that he did anything of note afterward. Keep in mind that since he suffered from Bean's condition he wouldn't even have much longer to live.
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Postby locke » Tue Jan 06, 2009 11:19 pm

Lol, such a Mormon naming for this character too. like Reneesme. :D
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EiE Arkanian Delphiki *SPOILERS*

Postby buckshot » Thu Jan 08, 2009 4:33 pm

I don`t agree , the plott`s were great! Shure I wish Card could of added more chapters to the Ganges world , Heck I wish the book was twice as long as now I have many more Questions!

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Postby CreoleBeanFan » Tue Jan 13, 2009 1:25 pm

I thought Arkanian Delphiki was far too stupid to be the child of Bean and Petra. Let alone have Anton's Key turned.

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Postby theinvid » Wed Jan 14, 2009 2:10 pm

I don't believe that the character of Arkanian Delphiki was developed enough for my liking....a more in depth exploration of his plot line would have been nice (as originally planned).

....to say that he's stupid is likely going a bit too far.
I would think that having lived on a planet that likely did not have advanced schooling to help further his intellignence and growing up with a mother that was feeding him lies and whom was not intelligent enough to educate the boy herself, Arkanian Delphiki was intelligent enough to start a strong movement on Earth (despite limited ansible access) that changed the way Ender Wiggin was perceived. He was also a major thorn in Verlomi's side. Verlomi is no intellectual slouch either.

A. Delphiki was hyper intelligent....but he was also manipulated from birth. This plot-line just wasn't developed enough for my liking.

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Postby wigginboy » Thu Jan 22, 2009 10:39 pm

Just tossing this out here but I don't understand how people who've read these books spell commonly used names wrong over and over. If you are in doubt, please use the books as a reference. I don't mean to belittle anyone, I'm just a firm believer in accuracy.

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Postby theinvid » Fri Jan 23, 2009 1:49 pm

Shall I correct myself so as to appease your 'belief in accuracy'?
Here goes:

VIRLOMI.

Let me take this a step further and help future posters from disrupting the space time continuum by not spelling a character name correctly.

Enderverse character names and how to spell them correctly:

Andrew 'Ender' Wiggin
Peter Wiggin
Valentine Wiggin
John Paul Wiggin
Theresa Wiggin
Alai
Julian "Bean" Delphiki
Carn Carby
Crazy Tom
Dink Meeker
Dumper
Fly Molo
Han Tzu (Hot Soup)
Petra Arkanian
Shen
Vlad
Achilles de Flandres
Suriyawong
Ambul
Anwar
William Bee
Bernard
Dag
Ducheval ("Shovel")
Nikolai Delphiki
Bonzo Madrid
Talo Momoe
Zeck Morgan
Rose the Nose
Sayagi
Pol Slattery
Wu
Hyrum Graff
Mazer Rackham
Major Anderson
Admiral Chamrajnagar
Han Fei-tzu
Han Qing-jao
Si Wang-mu
Joao Figueira Alvarez (Pipo)
Liberdade Graças a Deus Figueira de Medici (Libo)
Ivanova Santa Catarina von Hesse (Novinha)
Marcos Maria Ribeira (Marcao) (Big Marcos)
Marcos Vladimir Ribeira von Hesse (Miro)
Ekaterina Elanora Ribeira von Hesse (Ela)
Estevão Rei Ribeira von Hesse (Quim)
Lauro Suleiãmo Ribeira von Hesse (Olhado)
Lembrança das Milagres de Jesus Ribeira von Hesse (Quara)
Gerão Gregorio Ribeira von Hesse (Grego)
Rooter
Human
Planter
Glass
Warmaker
Arrow
Calendar
Firequencher
Leaf-Eater
Mandachuva
Alessandra Toscano
Dorabella Toscano
Sel Menach
Vitaly Denisovitch Kolmogorov
Ix Tolo
Po
Abra
Randall Firth aka Arkanian Delphiki aka Achilles
The Hive Queen
Jane
Anton
Volescu
Poke
Sister Carlotta
Stilson

I might have left a few out but I think that this is the majority of them.

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Postby Bean_wannabe » Fri Jan 23, 2009 4:09 pm

Now THAT's dedication

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Postby lyons24000 » Fri Jan 23, 2009 11:10 pm

Actually it seems like he has a temper. Cool off, it isn't that big of a deal. In real life, an attitude like that will get you beat up.
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Re: spelling

Postby zeroguy » Sun Jan 25, 2009 12:18 am

John Paul Wiggin
Baptized Wieczorek.
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Re: EiE - Arkanian Delphiki *SPOILERS*

Postby Lemonade Ice Queen » Sun Oct 09, 2011 8:25 pm

I disagree. I thought the scene where Ender allowed Achilles Junior to beat him within an inch of his life was one of the most powerful scenes in the series.

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Re: EiE - Arkanian Delphiki *SPOILERS*

Postby waffleman » Wed Oct 12, 2011 9:26 pm

I disagree. I thought the scene where Ender allowed Achilles Junior to beat him within an inch of his life was one of the most powerful scenes in the series.
Agreed.

After having Bean start his journey through space I was always disappointed because I wanted to read more about him and I thought I was going to get a bit of Bean from Achilles Jr but I was disappointed when Achilles Jr. was hardly written about. But having said all this, I suspect that this idea will be further developed in the new book of the series being written right now. I heard it is about bean and his children, so perhaps?
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