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Are you pro-life or pro-choice?

Pro-life
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34%
Pro-choice
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66%
 
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Postby jotabe » Sat Jan 16, 2010 12:53 pm

how come? autistics are perfectly self-aware, and aware of others. They have a neocortical activity every bit as complex as non-autistic people.
Only difference with the non autistics is that they have a higher probability of lesser intellectual capability, and that they have problems identifying emotional states, and relating emotional states with physical consequences.
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Postby Crazy Tom: C Toon » Sat Jan 16, 2010 12:59 pm

So when, by your definition, does a baby become human? some people are so mentally impaired that they have lost much of their connection to the outside world. the fact is that even a baby still in the eutero is aware: The baby recognizes its mother because it has so often heard her voice from within the womb. Even in the womb of the mother, the baby is cogitating. Even in the womb, the baby has a soul.
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Postby jotabe » Sat Jan 16, 2010 1:15 pm

Definitely it happens during phoetus development. I can't pinpoint a moment: but i have read that the embryo neural system begins to develop autonomous electric signaling in the brain around the 3rd month.
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Postby Crazy Tom: C Toon » Sat Jan 16, 2010 1:20 pm

so... are you saying that abortion should be allowed before the third month? I still cannot believe the depravity that makes pro-choicers fine with murder.
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Postby jotabe » Sat Jan 16, 2010 1:31 pm

That's my stance, actually. After the brain is working, starting to shape the phoetus personality even imperceptibly, that life shouldn't be threatened.

Thing is that, for pro-choicers, it isn't a murder.
Think of the PETA guys, for them killing an animal is a murder, because they consider animals to be like human beings in all respects.
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Postby Crazy Tom: C Toon » Sat Jan 16, 2010 1:37 pm

Ya. I always thought that was so funny. Have you heard about the PETA guys who are willing to kick people out of their homes because a feild mouse lives there? and the tree-hugging environmentalists! even some of them think trees are people (see link)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EWVyJ-YG ... re=related

how sad is that?
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Postby jotabe » Sat Jan 16, 2010 1:45 pm

While a good environmental policy is good in my eyes, some people take it too far. They are necessary, though: even in ridicule extremes, every idea (that doesn't go against evidence) should have defendants that think that it's the most important issue.

Then people will judge and democratically decide if it really is that important lol

Worst peta campaign was about changing the name of the fishes into sea-kitten XD
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Postby Crazy Tom: C Toon » Sat Jan 16, 2010 2:03 pm

What?! lol, why would they ever CARE? thats so funny
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Postby jotabe » Sat Jan 16, 2010 2:17 pm

just google "sea kittens" >.> i dare you lol
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Postby Crazy Tom: C Toon » Sat Jan 16, 2010 2:21 pm

OMG that's hilarious!!!

and also slightly disturbing... look at that petition count...
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Postby Sonikku13 » Sun Jan 17, 2010 4:41 pm

I'm gonna throw one more thing out there. I do not like double standards, and feticide is illegal in 35 states. Feticide is an act which causes the death of a fetus. In many, possibly all, of those states, abortion is legal. After 9 weeks is when an embryo is defined as a fetus, it's when the fetal stage begins. Although I believe you shouldn't do an abortion at any cost, from a different, scientific perspective, abortion against 9 weeks is the killing of a fetus. As I see it, abortion in this case would be legal feticide. Why is there this double standard?
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Postby Crazy Tom: C Toon » Sun Jan 17, 2010 5:11 pm

MY standard is, no killing after conception.
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