Saddam Hussein is dead.

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Saddam Hussein is dead.

Postby Eaquae Legit » Fri Dec 29, 2006 9:38 pm

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The Iraq government hasn't confirmed it yet, but it looks like things are over.
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Postby fawkes » Fri Dec 29, 2006 9:43 pm

Wow... An end to an era, eh? Almost hard to believe. After so many years of talk about him and the things he's done, it's over. Weird, huh?
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Postby Ua Lava » Fri Dec 29, 2006 9:51 pm

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This is how the world ends
This is how the world ends
Not with a bang but a whimper.
- T.S. Eliot, The Hollow Men

The news leading up to his death was fairly quiet. No anouncements, just his execution.

What happens now in Iraq? Will his death help or hinder democracy there?
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Postby fawkes » Fri Dec 29, 2006 10:18 pm

Apparently he left a farewell note. (I hope this link works, it's comcast and they're weird)
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Postby Rei » Sat Dec 30, 2006 1:47 am

I think that I am disgusted by the fact that there was a count-down to his execution, as though it were a gleeful event.

As for the future of Iraq, I kind of think that this will make no difference on the situation there and things will continue as they have for the past while.
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Postby AnthonyByakko » Sat Dec 30, 2006 1:48 am

They that live by the sword...

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Postby Rei » Sat Dec 30, 2006 1:52 am

The catch is, you're living by the sword in order to exact justice against those who are living by the sword. So who's to say it won't be used to exact justice against you?
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Postby AnthonyByakko » Sat Dec 30, 2006 2:02 am

I didn't kill anybody.

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Postby Seiryu » Sat Dec 30, 2006 2:04 am

Saddam's death isn't meant to be a major turning point or anything like that. It's meant to signify that justice has prevailed. Saddam has committed a heinous crime and his payment is his life. That's all it's about.

As for being gleeful about the situation, I don't think it's the actual death, but the coming to a resolution about a disposed dictator. It's the symbol of his death, not his actual death.
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Postby Rei » Sat Dec 30, 2006 2:07 am

I don't really like the idea of being cheerful about anyone's punishment. I have no issues with feeling satisfied by a punishment, but being chipper about a punishment bothers me.
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Postby luminousnerd » Sat Dec 30, 2006 2:09 am

His death meant nothing. The fact that he got away with so much before anyone killed him is the sad thing.

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Postby AnthonyByakko » Sat Dec 30, 2006 2:12 am

His death meant nothing. The fact that he got away with so much before anyone killed him is the sad thing.
Exactly. Like I said, he was supposed to be executed way back in 1960 anyways.

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Postby Seiryu » Sat Dec 30, 2006 2:16 am

I don't really like the idea of being cheerful about anyone's punishment. I have no issues with feeling satisfied by a punishment, but being chipper about a punishment bothers me.
Saddam's death was a symbol for the end of an era. The era was over when they captured him, but it means that the victims, family and friends of victims, and so forth got the justice they so rightly needed. Imagine you knew someone killed wrongly by the government, I think you would want Saddam dead. I mean, I could be way off here, but it seems the killer of a loved one is the worse human being imaginable.

No, I don't condone the cheering for Saddam's punishment, but I do like that justice has been provided for his victims.
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Postby Rei » Sat Dec 30, 2006 2:28 am

To be honest, I'm not certain I could condone it, even if the government killed off everyone I loved. I would want to see justice, to be sure. And if justice meant dying on the battlefield, I would certainly feel content that it was carried out. But once in the courts, I think and at the very least hope I would prefer life in prison to death.
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Postby AnthonyByakko » Sat Dec 30, 2006 2:33 am

Right, because after his actions, Saddam deserved a nice retirement in a safe, comfortable place where he could munch Doritos to his hearts content while someone else sacrificed their lives to clean up the mess.

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Postby luminousnerd » Sat Dec 30, 2006 2:35 am

Death wasn't fair justice for him. Sadaam should have been thrown into one of those horrible, awful, inhumane prisons almost a mile underground where it's frickin hot, you just BARELY get enough food to live, and you are isolated from everyone. Stone walls all around you. No hope of escape. That's what he deserved.

Death was the humane thing for him.

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Postby Seiryu » Sat Dec 30, 2006 2:40 am

I agree with Lum. His trial wasn't in America where the laws prevent cruel and unusual punishment. This is a guy who we don't have to worry about getting loose and going on a rampage. This is a guy who killed using other people and his power. We should have thrown him into a bad cell and thrown away the key. I mean, I don't condone the killing of Saddam, but I do think that it was an okay punishment.

Think about it this way, though: he does have a lot to fear up until death. I saw a picture of him somewhere when they released his sentence and he had this panic look on his face. There was also talk about how the hanging would be done and there was a method to cause the most suffering. No one should have to go through with that, but also, no one should do something to deserve that, either.
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Postby puppets » Sat Dec 30, 2006 1:01 pm

Anyone else notice how scared he looked when he was marching towards his death? I felt almost bad for him, but I thought about what he tells those who die for him. That they have 40 virgins waiting for him in death. Well I wonder then, just why was HE so scared of death anyways? It's not like he had to worry about supporting his family anyways.

Bah, snarky sarcasm on death. Either way, I don't necessarily think its something that should have been filmed. *shrugs*
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Postby hive_king » Sat Dec 30, 2006 2:57 pm

Au Contraire. Filming it gives proof that Sadaam is actually dead. We all remember the "Hitler is living in South America" theories.
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Postby puppets » Sat Dec 30, 2006 3:03 pm

well they didn't film the whoel thing though. I mean they stopped after putting the black hood ove rhis head. Whose to say they actually continued with the execution. I mean they could of stopped at that point and said "okay we fooled the Americans. Now they think you are dead."

Either way since they didn't actually film him dying there is really no true point to filming it period.
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Postby hive_king » Sat Dec 30, 2006 3:05 pm

Or they just didn't show the film on national TV.
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Postby puppets » Sat Dec 30, 2006 3:06 pm

Maybe. I thought normally for executions they made you stop filming after a certain pont? Either way if they filmed his exact death it wouldn't be shown on American television anyways.
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Postby jotabe » Sat Dec 30, 2006 5:06 pm

Death was what he had to be given. Not because he would deserve it or not. Simply because he was too dangerous to allow him to go on living.
Too many people (were Hussein still alive, and managed to escape) would follow him and support him. Then the civil war would be total.

Btw, i don't think Hussein could be comforted by the thoughts of the huries, because he wasn't a believer. He was part of the lay arabic nationalism (remember, his party was the Baaz). Did he call for the jihad? certainly; there isn't a best way to rally your own mostly-muslim people. Did he believe in Islam? I am sure he didn't.

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Postby hive_king » Sat Dec 30, 2006 6:34 pm

The Baath party was quasi-socialist anyways- and Islam is very anti-socialist.
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