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Is Butter A Carb?

Postby Young Val » Thu Sep 22, 2011 11:27 am

Rather than continue to derail the "Things I am Afraid of" thread, I figured I could come whine in here. Starting tomorrow PLANTS ONLY FOR FIFTEEN DAYS.

Pass me a bottle of Malbec, stat.

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Re: Is Butter A Carb?

Postby starlooker » Thu Sep 22, 2011 11:28 am

Do you mind if I ask why? I really cannot fathom this.
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Re: Is Butter A Carb?

Postby Jayelle » Thu Sep 22, 2011 11:29 am

Do you mind if I ask why? I really cannot fathom this.
I was going ask the same question. Is this a cleanse or weightloss thing? Or ethics?
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Re: Is Butter A Carb?

Postby VelvetElvis » Thu Sep 22, 2011 11:29 am

She really wants to lose three pounds.
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Re: Is Butter A Carb?

Postby Young Val » Thu Sep 22, 2011 11:42 am

Helen, I adore you.

A couple of reasons, really, all widely varied.

David and I eat really high-quality food (organic, locally and sustainably grown and harvested, etc) and we have eliminated a LOT of prepackaged and/or processed foods from our diet. And all of that is mostly on an ethical and food-loving level. Not really health-minded.

But we're starting to get a lot more health-conscious lately.

David has been struggling with some chronic pain that suddenly started about 6 months ago. No injury. Nothing we can think of as a cause. He's been to doctors, chiropractors, acupuncturists, physical therapists, had cat scans and all sorts of xrays and and testing, been put on various concoctions of meds that don't help...it's been a nightmare and very, very frustrating and demoralizing for him. He's a 28 year old, otherwise mostly healthy, physically active man. He's been doing a lot of research in the last few months about healing the body with food. And it's something that he wants to try.

His cholesterol is also just a touch high. Mine is fine, and all my other vitals (blood pressure, etc) are looking good. but neither David nor I are at, say, our "fighting weight" currently. Our doctors are encouraging both of us to drop a few pounds and revamp the way we eat. (we're not focused on this for weight-loss, though, at all).

We've both experienced a serious decline in energy over the last couple of years. We have trouble getting enough quality sleep. Frequent headaches. My knees joints suck. Small, every day things that we sort of shrug off or accomodate because individually, they don't seem like a really big deal or effect our lives in huge ways. But when we paused and looked at the sum total, it seemed kind of crazy that we're as young as we are, and yet, as tired as we are and in as much pain as we are.

So this little experiment is something that we both wanted to do, and that our doctors were comfortable with. The plan is not to eat like this forever, but to use this time to retrain our bodies and tastebuds so that when we DO reintroduce those other foods, we eat them in a much more rounded way, while still keeping the veggie ratio high (something I, personally, reeeeeeeally struggle with). I eat tons of organic vegetables, slathered in organic cream sauce...Delicious! Probably not super duper healthy on a weekly basis. You know what I mean? We want to re-prioritize a bit.

I have NO plans to stop baking or anything like that. We're not becoming vegetarians. We're not drinking nothing but lemonade and cayenne pepper or anything crazy. We just eating a crazy ton of vegetables and fruit and nothing else for 15 days, and then trying to eat really well-balanced meals from then on.
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Re: Is Butter A Carb?

Postby VelvetElvis » Thu Sep 22, 2011 11:58 am

I adore you, too, Kelly.
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Re: Is Butter A Carb?

Postby Satya » Thu Sep 22, 2011 1:14 pm

Only eating veggies and fruit is a crazy amount of carbs for any length of time... And there are no complete proteins/amino acid profiles in plant-only diets. If you're doing any kind of exercise during this period, you may want to consider a branched-chain-amino-acid supplement to spare your muscle tissues from being broken down. And of course, exercise is recommended regardless, especially if you're having health concerns/energy issues.
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Re: Is Butter A Carb?

Postby steph » Thu Sep 22, 2011 1:24 pm

Thread title is a Mean Girls reference, and I love you if you knew that.
I totally knew that. The pic floating around pinterest with Paula Dean cracks me up every time.
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Re: Is Butter A Carb?

Postby Young Val » Thu Sep 22, 2011 1:25 pm

Check and check!

We've gone over supplements with our doctors and are prepared for that, and will be carrying on our normal exercise routine (6 days a week for me 4-5ish for him depending on his schedule).
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Re: Is Butter A Carb?

Postby VelvetElvis » Thu Sep 22, 2011 1:26 pm

I just noticed the tiny text!
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Re: Is Butter A Carb?

Postby locke » Thu Sep 22, 2011 1:52 pm

Butter is not a carb, but it contains some. Butter is the only cooking fat that raises blood sugar, due to the milk solids. Ghee does not. have you ever made ghee?

It is entirely possible that David has developed an inflammatory response to some common foods (wheat, gluten, dairy are the most common, and his symptoms sound wheat related to me) and a diet free of those should result in a reduction of inflammation and cause a reduction in the chronic pain. It's entirely possible this won't happen at all.
So, Lone Star, now you see that evil will always triumph because good is dumb.

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Re: Is Butter A Carb?

Postby Young Val » Thu Sep 22, 2011 8:07 pm

Butter is not a carb, but it contains some. Butter is the only cooking fat that raises blood sugar, due to the milk solids. Ghee does not. have you ever made ghee?
Yes I've made ghee. But COME ON, Adam. Mean Girls?!
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Re: Is Butter A Carb?

Postby VelvetElvis » Thu Sep 22, 2011 9:07 pm

There's no way you can be that lame.
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Re: Is Butter A Carb?

Postby locke » Thu Sep 22, 2011 10:48 pm

I've only seen Mean Girls once, when it first came out. :-p
So, Lone Star, now you see that evil will always triumph because good is dumb.

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Re: Is Butter A Carb?

Postby Petra456 » Thu Sep 22, 2011 10:59 pm

I've only seen Mean Girls once, when it first came out. :-p
I think I saw Mean Girls a total of four times in theaters, all with different people! I regularly use "she doesn't even go here!"

I really thought this thread was going to be Mean Girls related : )
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Re: Is Butter A Carb?

Postby Syphon the Sun » Fri Sep 23, 2011 7:14 am

<3 the Mean Girls reference. Though it would be better if it was ALSO blended with a Harry Potter reference.
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Re: Is Butter A Carb?

Postby GS » Fri Sep 23, 2011 7:29 am

<3 the Mean Girls reference. Though it would be better if it was ALSO blended with a Harry Potter reference.
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Re: Is Butter A Carb?

Postby VelvetElvis » Fri Sep 23, 2011 7:49 am

I was just called Carby Barbie by a co-worker. "Every thing you eat is a carb! How are you not dead?"
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Re: Is Butter A Carb?

Postby Jayelle » Fri Sep 23, 2011 7:59 am

I was just called Carby Barbie by a co-worker. "Every thing you eat is a carb! How are you not dead?"

Uhm. You'd be dead if you *didn't* ever eat carbs.
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Re: Is Butter A Carb?

Postby locke » Fri Sep 23, 2011 11:17 am

not really, we're evolved to adapt to either carbohydrate or fat sources of energy. just switching from primarily burning carbs for fuel to fat for fuel isn't the most pleasant of processes, and eating any carbs more or less switches you back.

Our brains wouldn't be very useful if they stopped working in the winter when we're not harvesting carbs.
So, Lone Star, now you see that evil will always triumph because good is dumb.

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Re: Is Butter A Carb?

Postby Young Val » Sat Sep 24, 2011 12:41 pm

Day One thus far (yes, we were supposed to start on Friday, but a shooting on the highway on our way to the apple orchard meant we were stuck in traffic for hours which put us way behind schedule, and we couldn't get to the co-op before it closed. So, we started today):


So, we're following the suggested meal plan. Hot water with lemon first thing in the morning, then breakfast. Breakfast was supposed to be apples and cherries and raisins, baked with cinnamon and nutmeg. Yummy. But the co-op didn't have any cherries. I wanted to go with plums, or some other type of stone fruit as a substitute but David overruled me with strawberries. Which, of course, cooked down into mush. So, a very tasty breakfast, but a texturally-challenging one.

The mid-morning snack, though, was juice. Vegetable juice, that we made with our juicer. Kale, spinach, celery, cucumber, apple, and ginger. Only we put in WAY THE HELL TOO MUCH ginger. My throat was BURNING. Highly, highly, highly unpleasant. It took me about 40 minutes to choke down the entire 24oz. I still gag a little just thinking about it. Ugh.

Lunch is going to be a ginormous salad, and I think tonight's dinner is a soup. Afternoon snacks are pretty much whatever raw vegetables or fruits we feel like eating. I'm going to have some carrots and apple slices in a minute.

Feeling good so far. No real caffeine withdrawals, but that's because I stopped drinking caffeine for most of this week in preparation. I have pretty good energy. As long as I never ever have to drink that horrible, burning juice again, I'll be ok.

Blehg. :::shudders:::
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Re: Is Butter A Carb?

Postby VelvetElvis » Sat Sep 24, 2011 1:35 pm

How are you doing with the dry greens?
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Re: Is Butter A Carb?

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Re: Is Butter A Carb?

Postby starlooker » Sat Sep 24, 2011 1:47 pm

I totally freaking love hot water and lemon. It was a major staple during the first trimester.

And now I want carrots and apples. Thanks for that. :stoned:
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Re: Is Butter A Carb?

Postby VelvetElvis » Sat Sep 24, 2011 2:57 pm


An interesting aspect of this diet I had yet to consider!
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Re: Is Butter A Carb?

Postby Satya » Sat Sep 24, 2011 3:06 pm

This thread is relevant to my interests.

I'll be interested most in the post results. I've been working off a low-carb diet for quite a while, but I initially did a high-fruit/vegetable plan for a time. I have one of the high-end juice machines and I used it twice a day along with a lot of salad with no dressing/zero cal dressing and raw apples/spinach/etc. That combination has proved fairly useful, and I'm considering another high-carb plan for a short term for a boost.
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Re: Is Butter A Carb?

Postby Young Val » Sat Sep 24, 2011 4:34 pm

Lunch was a salad AND soup. The soup was carrots, ginger, avocado...I can't remember quite what else, David made it. And honey. It was WAY too sweet. Maybe because I've been eating bitter greens all day? I don't know. The salad was spinach, watercress, heirloom tomatoes, red onions, again some avocado, and jimica--which I had never had before. I wasn't really hungry at all by lunchtime and sort of had to force myself to eat the full portions. As it was, David finished my soup.

Feeling pretty tired mid-day. Not in a bad way, really. Just sleepy. Not sure if it's to do with the new regime or otherwise.

It's dinner time now, another huge salad, and I'm still not remotely hungry. Ah, well. Eat it I shall.

Emotionally, I am craving bread. Bread, bread, bread. Toast. English muffins. Bagels. A hot dog bun, for crying out loud. I want BREAD. But I know that's just mental/emotional. I'm not actually hungry and I'm not feeling deprived physically.

Drinking far more water than I ever usually do, which is a huge plus. Mostly, though, I'm drinking it (with lemon) to get the sickly-sweet carrot soup taste out of my mouth.

Time to go make dinner.
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Re: Is Butter A Carb?

Postby locke » Sun Sep 25, 2011 11:56 am

Emotionally, I am craving bread. Bread, bread, bread. Toast. English muffins. Bagels. A hot dog bun, for crying out loud. I want BREAD. But I know that's just mental/emotional. I'm not actually hungry and I'm not feeling deprived physically.
not just mental/emotional, physical. Digestion of wheat releases exorphins that cross the blood brain barrier for an opiate-like brain response. Wheat is addictive, in other words, you eat it and you then feel good. So you're going through withdrawal. It'll last about a week, less if you have a higher fat diet, longer on a lower fat diet, iirc.
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Re: Is Butter A Carb?

Postby Young Val » Sun Sep 25, 2011 12:15 pm

Day two sucks, day two sucks, day two sucks, day two sucks,

Editor, repeat until page is full.
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Re: Is Butter A Carb?

Postby starlooker » Sun Sep 25, 2011 4:32 pm

What sucks so much about day two?
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Re: Is Butter A Carb?

Postby Young Val » Sun Sep 25, 2011 5:43 pm

I cannot even begin to describe the massive headache and how all around f****** horrendous I feel. Uggggggggggggh....Withdrawal freaking suuuuuuuuuuuuucks.
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Re: Is Butter A Carb?

Postby VelvetElvis » Sun Sep 25, 2011 6:10 pm

*hugs and lemon water for Kelly*

This might last several days.
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Re: Is Butter A Carb?

Postby steph » Mon Sep 26, 2011 8:08 am

I hope today is better than yesterday!
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Re: Is Butter A Carb?

Postby Young Val » Mon Sep 26, 2011 8:14 am

Um, it's better because I had toast with my breakfast. :oops:
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Re: Is Butter A Carb?

Postby Luet » Mon Sep 26, 2011 8:32 am

Are you giving up or still gonna keep trying?
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