To be honest, I'd be apt to say that the first form of the sentence is better English grammar than the latter. Yes, the latter sticks to the arbitrary rules assigned to English to try and make it be Latin with a different vocabulary, but in the process it makes the language deliberately pompous and obtuse. The primary purpose of language is to communicate and the role of grammar is to ensure that we can communicate clearly as a society.In terms of band names, I do tend to use "are" if the band name is plural. As in "The Beatles are a band I never listen to."
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The Beatles are a band to which I never listen.
There.
In a grammar thread my above dangling preposition was making me twitch.
This is the argument I usually receive in favor of chat speak.To be honest, I'd be apt to say that the first form of the sentence is better English grammar than the latter. Yes, the latter sticks to the arbitrary rules assigned to English to try and make it be Latin with a different vocabulary, but in the process it makes the language deliberately pompous and obtuse. The primary purpose of language is to communicate and the role of grammar is to ensure that we can communicate clearly as a society.In terms of band names, I do tend to use "are" if the band name is plural. As in "The Beatles are a band I never listen to."
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The Beatles are a band to which I never listen.
There.
In a grammar thread my above dangling preposition was making me twitch.
It's because you're a common person, an average man, and you don't need anything other than the most basic English to get by.you's all is talking two complicated like four me too be understanding right
Or you could switch it to "I never listen to the Beatles." and avoid the awkward wording altogether.To be honest, I'd be apt to say that the first form of the sentence is better English grammar than the latter. Yes, the latter sticks to the arbitrary rules assigned to English to try and make it be Latin with a different vocabulary, but in the process it makes the language deliberately pompous and obtuse. The primary purpose of language is to communicate and the role of grammar is to ensure that we can communicate clearly as a society.In terms of band names, I do tend to use "are" if the band name is plural. As in "The Beatles are a band I never listen to."
[edited to fix typo]
[edited to add the following]
The Beatles are a band to which I never listen.
There.
In a grammar thread my above dangling preposition was making me twitch.
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If I recall correctly from one of my classes, there is some debate as to whether 'to listen to' constitutes a distinct verb from 'to listen'. If so, then the second 'to' is not so much a preposition as a necessary part of the verb.
As much as I hear this and understand it, "Monty Python are funny" will never sound correct in my head (my opinion of their humor notwithstanding). I hate these constructs. Same with "data are"; I know it's the plural for datum, but who the hell uses the word datum? "Piece of data", c'mon.The basic answer: when the collective is operating as a group, you use a singular verb. When they are operating individually, you use a plural verb.
Don't listen to her. Sure, you're a common man, and what's wrong with that? It's the common man that sees through the pompous bluster of the intellectuals with his keen insight into a situation. What you have doesn't come from books, it doesn't come from a degree, it doesn't come from so-called "rational thinking", it comes from the heart. But the brain police take one look at the way you choose to present yourself and they think that has anything to do with who you are and what you are capable of. Makes me sick to my stomach. Me? I'd vote for you for president if I could, I swear to gum I would, that'd really stick it to the intellirati.It's because you're a common person, an average man, and you don't need anything other than the most basic English to get by.you's all is talking two complicated like four me too be understanding right
This "grammar" talk is just for the advanced people, the ones who are going to be brain surgeons and such...the ones who are going to advance society. Go pay your bills and let the smart people talk.
That's because "Monty Python are funny" will almost never be correct, because you're referring to the group as a whole, not the members of the group acting individually. Ninety-nine percent of the time, collective nouns should be accompanied by a singular verb.As much as I hear this and understand it, "Monty Python are funny" will never sound correct in my head (my opinion of their humor notwithstanding). I hate these constructs. Same with "data are"; I know it's the plural for datum, but who the hell uses the word datum? "Piece of data", c'mon.
Or you could switch it to "I never listen to the Beatles." and avoid the awkward wording altogether.To be honest, I'd be apt to say that the first form of the sentence is better English grammar than the latter. Yes, the latter sticks to the arbitrary rules assigned to English to try and make it be Latin with a different vocabulary, but in the process it makes the language deliberately pompous and obtuse. The primary purpose of language is to communicate and the role of grammar is to ensure that we can communicate clearly as a society.In terms of band names, I do tend to use "are" if the band name is plural. As in "The Beatles are a band I never listen to."
[edited to fix typo]
[edited to add the following]
The Beatles are a band to which I never listen.
There.
In a grammar thread my above dangling preposition was making me twitch.
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If I recall correctly from one of my classes, there is some debate as to whether 'to listen to' constitutes a distinct verb from 'to listen'. If so, then the second 'to' is not so much a preposition as a necessary part of the verb.
Never "Monty Python are funny guys"? Or something.That's because "Monty Python are funny" will almost never be correct, because you're referring to the group as a whole, not the members of the group acting individually.As much as I hear this and understand it, "Monty Python are funny" will never sound correct in my head (my opinion of their humor notwithstanding). I hate these constructs. Same with "data are"; I know it's the plural for datum, but who the hell uses the word datum? "Piece of data", c'mon.
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