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suminonA

The first few milliseconds after the big bang, as I understand it, featured a universe with only energy, before it collapsed into matter. Visible light is only a small portion of the energy spectrum, but it's there. Light before matter. Are you saying that (for you) the â€œfirst dayâ€ in Genesis i...

suminonA

[â€¦]And what about the light from the sun taking eight years to reach the earth?[â€¦]

lyons24000, check your sources, the time you are talking about is about 8.3 minutes.

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suminonA

One more open question, for those with knowledge of the Bible:
Are there dinosaurs mentioned in the Book of Genesis?

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suminonA

How about we throw out the Bible and consider the question he asked, "How do you create light before creating stars?" The answer: glowing matter that is not in stars. Well, if we follow your gallant advice and go on with the throwing out, then what kind of ground there is for the question...

suminonA

About Genesis, how would anyone even know what happened, if no one was alive? What do you mean? God was there*. (He was the one doing the creation stuff.) The same God that inspired the authors (writers) of the texts in Genesis. Don't you trust God? Oh, wait ... * don't take my word for it. It's wh...

suminonA

[â€¦] Anyway, my brain hurts now and I fear the attacks I'll get even as it is. Remember, I'm not trying to say this is an OFFICIAL interpretation... it is mine (and as far as I know, ONLY mine). I'm okay with that. Thank you for taking the time to write down your views here. As an atheist (a perso...

suminonA

Rei, I really appreciate your thorough replies. Thank you. Iâ€™d say my patience pays off here :) â€œI would suggest, actually, that every act that is done in arrogance is done to prove God is not necessary and when one knows that God exists, it is spitting in His face.â€ What might be better to sa...

suminonA

One more question for those that support the â€œGod created Manâ€ side of this poll: How many people did God create directly (by hand), as opposed to â€œby usual birth processâ€? Iâ€™ve heard somewhere that Adam didnâ€™t have a belly button. Is that true?

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suminonA

Uhh. This doesn't sound very much like serious philosophical talk, and I don't want this thread locked

You mean that you don't take the IPU quite seriously?

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suminonA

If you knew the IPU you'd know she's a compulsive liar. Well, thatâ€™s a curious statementâ€¦ I know the IPU and all that she told me until now turned out to be true. So itâ€™s your word against my dear and trustworthy IPUâ€™s word. Do you have any proof that you are telling the truth in this matte...

suminonA

The IPU is my steed, delivering me into battle so that I may smite mine enemies.

I've contacted the IPU and she tells me that she doesn't know you. Therefore she can't be your steed. Are you calling the IPU a liar?

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suminonA

My children, do not be led astray by these false idols. I am Jebus, I am the father and the son*, the all mighty, and you shall have no gods before me. Praise be to me. *I had a complicated childhood. Nice to meet you :D I have one question: Do you mean to say that there isn't (or shouldn't be) an ...

suminonA

I don't believe that believing can be done mainly with our reason. You believe with your heart. And for that, evidence is meaningless. Being tenable or not for a certain belief is an irrelevant point. It is relevant when "defending" your beliefs. Especially if the one defending is part of...

suminonA

How about we forget all that?

Forget ... what?

(no harm done

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suminonA

I think the issue here is more that they were trying to prove they did not need God. And that is a far bigger issue, because the whole of humanity needs Him . I would suggest, actually, that every act that is done in arrogance is done to prove God is not necessary and when one knows that God exists...

suminonA

awww i'll never be mean

Ooooh, cheer up, you'll always be mean to my heart.

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suminonA

The point that I understood for Babel is that the people were trying to demonstrate independance from God by building a great tower. However, this is not something God wanted, because humans are not independant of Him, so He made it impossible for them to complete this project. Well, mysterious are...

suminonA

Just a note about the deletion of the threads. There was a long discussion about it in the super-secret mod fortress, and the consensus from all involved was to periodically delete the Word Association and the Last Post threads. I have a suggestion: Why not publicly announce* what threads are going...

suminonA

There ya go. I have no problem being morally repugnant to your individual tastes.

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suminonA

A religious construct that places little to no value on life, and emphasises exclusively the value of life after death has no standing to say that we, upon advocating people's deaths so that they may have eternal and happy life-after-death, are immoral. That's a point I have no saying in. Why do yo...

suminonA

If you don't understand how it is faulty, how you are qualifed to say it is faulty. Hell, I challenge you to show us how it is faulty. I take the challenge: Your first fault was to extrapolate the Christian belief to everybody . You took that back. Second, you extrapolate your interpretations on ot...

suminonA

That's what I consider immoral: Applying your logic to others.

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So - you're a libertarian then, right?

Taken out of context, I fall into many categories. The day someone makes me an "extremist" (of any kind) would be the "extreme" day

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suminonA

But I'm sure you can agree that since anthony (may I call you tony?) and I have experience as christians in the past, we have some authority to speak on their beliefs? Wouldn't they be more suitable to answer that? Especially when heavier hitting members of this board agree with us that the unbapti...

suminonA

Still haven't "put words in people's mouths." We've only spoken to the desires and values wished to be attained by Christians (through our experience with them and as them) and extrapolated them into action. Actions they might not like/agree with, but action nonetheless. I emphasised a &q...

suminonA

What words have we put in anyone's mouths? We've merely asked for people's opinions, and upon getting them, extrapolated them to their logical conclusion. And what are we taking literally that was not supposed to be? hive_king, you must be missing a great part of this thread. The first thing you sh...

suminonA

And Su, I don't think of myself as an authority on any subject. But I spent two decades in a Midwestern puritanical protestant church and school. I spent 50 hours a week for 20 years in church. I'm not an authority, but I've lived the life. Don't get your panties in a twist. (edit: usually, when yo...

suminonA

Hey, I'm just fulfilling what the Christians want. Take it up with them if you don't like me killin' ya to save you from yourself. Like I said - just a messenger. (re)read this: [â€¦] Also: *If you are not a member of a particular faith or belief system, do not set yourself up as an authority as to...

suminonA

Then obviously this thread does not concern you.

It does when you're attributing moral value to plans including everybody.

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suminonA

Christians want everyone to go to heaven. But most people (according to their own scriptures) will go to hell.[...] The moment when you replace â€œChristians/most peopleâ€ with â€œeverybodyâ€ is where you fail from a moral point of view. My atheistic position does not justify your including me in...

suminonA

Well if anyone wanted their child to go to hell, I'd have serious doubts about their capacity to be a parent.

Your fallacy comes from the false dichotomy that you are using.

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suminonA

That's because you're (anonimous) a do-goody two-shoes. The plan is rock solid. It's fool-proof. All people have to do is snuff themselves and we'll take care of all the children. That way, all the children are saved and this planet can finally be devoid of the human parasitic virus. If you see you...

suminonA

Morally repugnant for the killer, but great for the killed. I donâ€™t know if itâ€™s un-intentional or by sarcasm, but this is the logic of the evangelical religions. Your greater concern for othersâ€™ souls than your own is â€¦â€œadmirableâ€. I mean, don't most parents want to know their kids'll ...

suminonA

Now I hate to say this, but Anthony has a point. Sometimes you (and by you I mean SummonA) has to take one for the team. What team are we talking about? As for AnthonyByakko, I was just observing that "everyone should just kill themselves" is not the same as "we just kill ourselves a...

suminonA

Right! In fact, everyone should just kill themselves right now. It would save the trouble of all the hardship and pain in life, and no one would risk going to hell.

Except, there are some strict rules about the suicides going "up" or "down"

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suminonA

Ok, weâ€™ll wait more opinions on that. Until then, the knowledge that we have today about the Universe is clear enough that there is no such thing as a â€œheavenâ€ up there , at least not below the orbit of the Moon. I hope we can agree on that. So it is technically impossible to take the story li...

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