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by starfox
Fri Apr 10, 2009 7:47 am
Forum: Milagre Town Square
Topic: Existence
Replies: 12
Views: 2715

But like I said, being separate from the physical world doesn't mean it can't have an effect Yes, it does. If there is an observable effect, do you deny it is taking place in the physical world? obviously a careful observer would be able to see when such events did occur (like our friend having 3 f...
by starfox
Thu Apr 09, 2009 9:08 pm
Forum: Milagre Town Square
Topic: Existence
Replies: 12
Views: 2715

Oh crap, you guys got me. Yep, just a troll, coming in with my short-sighted, narrow-minded, excessively simplistic, offensive hypothetical situations. Roll your eyes at me and assume I'm being disingenuous. Once you figured out my argument, you even spotted the fallacy! There could be no other poss...
by starfox
Thu Apr 09, 2009 12:42 pm
Forum: Milagre Town Square
Topic: Existence
Replies: 12
Views: 2715

There are better ways to express that you do not understand how it is that anyone believes in a higher being, Wow, I didn't say anything about a higher being. a brief parable written to demonstrate how stupid someone must be to believe in a higher being. Did I say anyone is stupid? Apparently you t...
by starfox
Thu Apr 09, 2009 12:06 pm
Forum: Milagre Town Square
Topic: Existence
Replies: 12
Views: 2715

Existence

I have a question. Let's say a tree exists in my front yard. However, it is invisible, and doesn't cast any shade. Also, it isn't subject to the tree exclusion principle, so other trees can be taking up the same space as it. You can't cut it down, either. In fact, you can't see, hear, feel, smell, o...
by starfox
Sat Mar 28, 2009 1:26 pm
Forum: Milagre Town Square
Topic: Does truth lead to god, or does god lead to truth?
Replies: 13
Views: 4171

I try not to put much stock into feelings. Sometimes I just know in my heart that Jehovah's Witnesses are wrong because of a feeling I get. [...] I feel that the Jehovah's Witnesses are right--no, I know Jehovah's Witnesses are right sometimes because of a feeling in my heart. [...] Don't get me wr...
by starfox
Wed Mar 25, 2009 7:39 am
Forum: Milagre Town Square
Topic: Yeah, and Paul was a liar and Jesus avocated stealing...
Replies: 17
Views: 4891

However, if you are reading something that glorifies things that are against God's standards, that could be a sin. Reading books or magazines that glorify sex and/or violence go against Scriptures such as Psalm 11:5 and Matthew 5:28. Gee, that sounds familiar. http://z.about.com/d/bestsellers/1/0/H...
by starfox
Tue Mar 24, 2009 9:43 pm
Forum: Milagre Town Square
Topic: Yeah, and Paul was a liar and Jesus avocated stealing...
Replies: 17
Views: 4891

Reading that made me feel ill. :(
Yes, yes, I know. I prayed for forgiveness afterwards. I felt so dirty. So, so dirty.
How can reading something be a sin?
by starfox
Tue Jan 27, 2009 1:46 pm
Forum: Milagre Town Square
Topic: Former rules of Religion Forum
Replies: 53
Views: 23230

Reposted from the other thread: While I agree that in general, stating your opinion yourself is good, why shouldn't linking to those [inflammatory] things be allowed? That's suppressing free speech. ... I've noticed that in many places, PWeb included, religious beliefs get special protection from cr...
by starfox
Tue Jan 27, 2009 12:26 pm
Forum: Milagre Town Square
Topic: Religous Paradox question
Replies: 62
Views: 15436

Because you agreed to it when you posted here. http://www.philoticweb.net/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=35
I know what the rules are, I am asking why.
by starfox
Mon Jan 26, 2009 9:19 pm
Forum: Milagre Town Square
Topic: Religous Paradox question
Replies: 62
Views: 15436

For the record for all watching, posting links to websites that attack another's beliefs as a substitute for expressing one's own's views is VERY POOR TASTE, and shouldn't be permitted here. While I agree that in general, stating your opinion yourself is good, why shouldn't linking to those things ...
by starfox
Fri Jan 23, 2009 8:49 am
Forum: Milagre Town Square
Topic: Religous Paradox question
Replies: 62
Views: 15436

we is plural, referring to people in general, as evidenced by ideas like this which only follow from a belief in a God who is bound by the flow of time. ... I is referring to myself, who believes in the God who can truthfully and logically say "before Abraham was, I am" I don't understand what you'...
by starfox
Thu Jan 22, 2009 10:28 pm
Forum: Milagre Town Square
Topic: Religous Paradox question
Replies: 62
Views: 15436

no, I know what it means, leastways, I think do,
Oh, I thought you were saying the exact opposite of that a little bit ago.
we don't have... the necessary comprehension of what it means to REALLY exist outside of time.
Huh.
by starfox
Thu Jan 22, 2009 7:31 pm
Forum: Milagre Town Square
Topic: Religous Paradox question
Replies: 62
Views: 15436

we don't have the vocabulary to explain it or the necessary comprehension of what it means to REALLY exist outside of time.
Well, it sounds terribly mysterious, but if you don't know what it means, why do you believe it?
by starfox
Fri Jan 09, 2009 4:09 pm
Forum: Milagre Town Square
Topic: Free Will
Replies: 164
Views: 24121

Re: Free Will

4. If, therefore, we conclude that people have free will, we must conclude that there is something non-physical, which can nevertheless influence the physical world. Ah, but how do you conclude people have free will? Whether you actually had free will or were "following the script," would it not ap...
by starfox
Sun Dec 14, 2008 12:50 pm
Forum: Milagre Town Square
Topic: Going To The Source
Replies: 69
Views: 17277

Re: Going To The Source

In general I'd say the historical accuracy of the parts of the Bible we CAN check up on can be used as evidence to vouch for the accuracy of the portions of the Bible we *can't* check up on, and by extension the truthfulness of God's message to us. This isn't necessarily true. If the parts we can c...
by starfox
Sat Dec 13, 2008 10:17 am
Forum: Milagre Town Square
Topic: Going To The Source
Replies: 69
Views: 17277

Starfox, in my density, I am just smart enough to realise you don't want a conversation/discussion on this topic anymore, you'd rather point out each and every grammatical error I make, regardless of the words I used actually being YOUR OWN that I quoted without using the [ quote ] feature. What ar...
by starfox
Fri Dec 12, 2008 3:36 pm
Forum: Milagre Town Square
Topic: Going To The Source
Replies: 69
Views: 17277

Re: Revelation 7:17

I encourage you to try, I would be interested in your findings. You want answers for every experiment you do so from that statement am I to understand that you regularly do experiments of this nature? How does that even follow? You said, Think of it as an experiment, but one you want answers to. Wh...
by starfox
Thu Dec 11, 2008 9:54 am
Forum: Milagre Town Square
Topic: Going To The Source
Replies: 69
Views: 17277

Re: Job 38:2-4

Well to stay on topic from the original post, the process one has to take in order to go to the source of the bible to find out whether the source is truthful you have to search for the source. In that search you are faced with the choices of, accepting that physically, the books in the bible were ...
by starfox
Thu Dec 11, 2008 1:16 am
Forum: Milagre Town Square
Topic: Going To The Source
Replies: 69
Views: 17277

No matter what you say, evolution faces the same problem. You come up with wonderful arguments about why evolution is true and someone else can come up with arguments as to why it is not true. I have never seen one. Prove me wrong. Show me one shred of evidence the theory of evolution by natural se...
by starfox
Wed Dec 10, 2008 6:08 pm
Forum: Milagre Town Square
Topic: Going To The Source
Replies: 69
Views: 17277

So help me understand something... If two freerunners living in isolation have kids and teach them to freerun because they live in the mountains but the rock formations are very irregular and even mountain goats have trouble traversing them and they have say, oh I dunno, at least 25 generations of ...
by starfox
Wed Dec 10, 2008 9:04 am
Forum: Milagre Town Square
Topic: Going To The Source
Replies: 69
Views: 17277

That list of observed instances of speciation is a list mostly comprised of s terile h ybrids created by direct human intervention (or hmm, design) or species simply FOUND. Did you even look at it? I'll quote it for you: 5.1.1.2 Kew Primrose (Primula kewensis) Digby (1912) crossed the primrose spec...
by starfox
Tue Dec 09, 2008 4:35 pm
Forum: Milagre Town Square
Topic: Going To The Source
Replies: 69
Views: 17277

And yet, if we're under the pretense that the Cain story is true, the child had to have lived long enough because the Bible has an entire lineage of Cain's descendants . Even if that one child died, others must have been born. If you don't believe the Bible then you can disregard it. You missed my ...
by starfox
Tue Dec 09, 2008 10:26 am
Forum: Milagre Town Square
Topic: Going To The Source
Replies: 69
Views: 17277

After the fall of Assyria to Babylon, a group of Assyrians escaped to some mountains close to that area. They lived there for a long period of time all by themselves before reemerging. The period had to have been longer then a thousand years because by the time they came down Islam was a major reli...
by starfox
Tue Nov 11, 2008 6:51 pm
Forum: Milagre Town Square
Topic: Hell (for real this time)
Replies: 45
Views: 13048

Does not the burden of proof lie with both of you, actually? That hell does not exist is a belief in and of itself as well. I don't think so. This is what Russell's teapot is all about. It's ridiculous to say you need to disprove the teapot exists. I could assert there are infinitely many teapots, ...
by starfox
Tue Nov 11, 2008 2:49 pm
Forum: Milagre Town Square
Topic: Hell (for real this time)
Replies: 45
Views: 13048

See, the problem is, you're just repeating yourself. You haven't said anything new. This is exactly what I mean when I say it's never followed by actual dialogue. You're not interested in listening. Nothing I say will result in anything but that same statement. I've been down this road before. Not ...
by starfox
Tue Nov 11, 2008 10:12 am
Forum: Milagre Town Square
Topic: Hell (for real this time)
Replies: 45
Views: 13048

It was the wording, primarily, that got to me. I'm so dang sick of hearing that exact phrase spouted off almost as a creed. And with nothing else to say, as if it should be obvious to any person with half a brain. It never, ever seems to come from a person who's spent any time at all in the serious...
by starfox
Tue Nov 11, 2008 9:28 am
Forum: Milagre Town Square
Topic: Stem Cell Research
Replies: 19
Views: 6513

That comment was a matter of opinion. I don't support abortion so naturally I don't support the use of fetuses to aid research. Right. This is what I'm asking about. Say somebody decided to have an abortion. You now have a dead fetus, and nothing can undo what has been done. You can either use it f...
by starfox
Tue Nov 11, 2008 9:24 am
Forum: Milagre Town Square
Topic: Hell (for real this time)
Replies: 45
Views: 13048

Why do you say that the first statement - shadow's - makes no extraordinary claims? Granted, according to Occam's Razor, it appears to be the simplest solution: that hell cannot exist. Because non-existence of something is the default belief. If you say such-and-such exists, you have to prove it do...
by starfox
Mon Nov 10, 2008 9:24 am
Forum: Milagre Town Square
Topic: Stem Cell Research
Replies: 19
Views: 6513

Using the placenta and umbilical cords of newborns I don't think is a problem, but using aborted fetuses is wrong. If the fetus is already aborted, you don't want it to be used for research? You can either use it for stem cells, or you can let it go to waste. Neither will bring it back, but one wil...
by starfox
Mon Nov 10, 2008 9:18 am
Forum: Milagre Town Square
Topic: What's the point of organised religion?
Replies: 103
Views: 36237

What I am trying to say is that neither science nor religion can fully explain HOW we came to be on this planet. Of course neither does. However, science acknowledges this, and is continually improving its explanation. Religion makes claims that aren't disprovable about hypotheses that aren't testa...
by starfox
Mon Nov 10, 2008 8:53 am
Forum: Milagre Town Square
Topic: Hell (for real this time)
Replies: 45
Views: 13048

Good job being a parrot, young Grasshopper.
It makes my point no less valid.
by starfox
Sun Nov 09, 2008 11:37 pm
Forum: Milagre Town Square
Topic: Hell (for real this time)
Replies: 45
Views: 13048

Hell is not real it there just to scare people.
Hell is a real and present danger to all humans.
Now what makes your statement more valid than mine?
The first statement makes no extraordinary claims. The second does, and thus the burden of proof lies with you.
by starfox
Sun Nov 09, 2008 11:29 pm
Forum: Milagre Town Square
Topic: What's the point of organised religion?
Replies: 103
Views: 36237

No, we just think we do. We think we can explain things but in all honesty, neither science nor religion can CONCRETELY explain our existence. All we have are guesses. Oh, sorry. You're right. I forgot 99.999% certain wasn't good enough to qualify for "a pretty good handle on it." Furthermore, the ...
by starfox
Wed Nov 05, 2008 11:44 pm
Forum: Milagre Town Square
Topic: What is death?
Replies: 26
Views: 6306

I do believe in souls and reincarnation.
Why? What evidence do you have? I'm not being sarcastic, I really want to know.
by starfox
Wed Nov 05, 2008 11:41 pm
Forum: Milagre Town Square
Topic: What's the point of organised religion?
Replies: 103
Views: 36237

We cannot know how or why this world was created so we came up with a system of beliefs and a set doctrine indicating how the adherents should believe... The only reason we have them is because no one can explain how life came to be here and who or what put us here is a concrete and logical manner....

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